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I help coach a 9u team. We have twelve players and since we're trying to give everyone an opportunity to develop their skills, we use a continuous batting order. We have two kids who are basically automatic outs (they're a combined 3 for 55 with 46 strikeouts). Do you think it's better to put them as the last two in the order? Or should we separate them, say like 6th and 12th?
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StatManLV,

I would think that since you are coaching a 9U team, development should be your top priority. These boys obviously need additional work, either with you or on their own.

Worrying about winning games at 9U should be secondary. You can bat them wherever you want and it won't matter...one of them will come up in a critical situation during a tight game every time. Your job is to help them have a chance to be successful in that situation.
As the parent of a player who was once a "guaranteed out", allow me to add some perspective. Kids who struggle at the plate know it and they know that everyone else knows, too. Their teammates tell them they s**k and other kids parents talk about them because it makes them feel superior, which in turn makes the kids feel worse.

They hope with every at bat that this will be the day they get the hit that makes all the mean people shut up, but their own nerves work against them. Kids who consistantly strike out either try to swing for the fence and miss or don't swing at all because they're afraid to strike out. Its so much easier to go back to the dugout and mutter about the ump's lousy call than to swing and look bad.

As a coach, you already know that you need to work with them and help build their eye-hand coordination and their confidence, but you also appear to know that there are ways to help them, and the rest of the team, in game situations.

If both boys know, and the rest of the team knows, that they are coming up back-to-back, they all pretty much concede that they can get their gloves ready to head back out after the 2nd guy (assuming there's already 1 out). That adds even more pressure to each of the two boys. While conventional theory is to put your weakest hitter low in the order, if you have two of them and are using a continuous rotation, you would help them both tremendously by splitting them up. Its easier on them to know the team may still have a chance even if they get out, and it gives the team some optimism, as well. They know its okay if player A doesn't get on because player B is right behind them.

My son spent a lot of his early years on the bench while kids with knicknames like "Hank" Aaron and Dan "the man" got to play every inning of every game. By jr. high - not one of the LL "stars" was good enough to make the cut, but my little bench warmer made it as an 8th grader on a 9th grade team. He's now a 6'1", 170 lb RHP who plays for a pretty good high school team and an outstanding summer team. Reason? While his head coach wished he'd never drafted him (in Cal Ripken), one of the assistants kept telling him "I know you're a ballplayer. I know you can play this game." My son took that man's words to heart and he's proven that coach right with every swing of the bat and every 2 seam fastball he throws.

Give those kids hope, Coach. You never know what can happen.
There are a couple schools of thought on this.

One says you bat them last, since they will get up the least number of times, and consequently, do the least damage. Plus there is a good chance that they will end many innings, and then you start off with your lead-off guy next inning. In theory anyway. As T-Bird mentioned, they WILL be at bat in a critical situation at some point.

The other school of thought has them separated in the order, the theory being that having them both in a row is a sure rally killer. Separating them tends to minimize this.

A third theory, wildly less popular, has them bat last and crowd the plate very closely in hopes of a HBP and then the top of the order comes up. This strategy doesn't often last long as parents tend to get angry with this type of coaching strategy.

How you do it depends on how the rest of your team is doing.

While putting one of these or a variation of these theories into action, I have to agree with really working with the two players and getting them as much help and hitting practice as possible. It is about development and when they are up in the critical situation that they will indeed be up in, then you'll be very happy when they both come through with hits due to the work you put in with them. And won't they be thrilled! At 9 Y/O there will always be those kids. Continous batting orders are tough, but keep at it, the kids who work at it will get better.

Bottom line, it's up to you. Back in the day I sometimes had a whole bunch of those kids, not just two. Anyway, I always put the iron up at the top 6 spots or so and mixed and matched the bottom 6, rotated them in different spots so they didn't feel like they were always last. We spent extra time with these kids on just making contact and learning the strike zone. Much of their problems with the K was that they swung at alot of bad pitches. Once we got them more selective, they had more success hitting the ball, or at least drew helpful walks. Some of them came through when I least expected it.

Good luck coach. It's a great age, but I was glad when we got through it to be honest.
I agree with Dad10's approach, but will add a few thoughts.

First of all, you should not fall into the habit of always batting them as a tandem, or always batting them at the bottom. They will catch on to this. They already know they are struggling. They will swirl further downward at anything they can construe as "coach doesn't like me" or "coach doesn't have faith in me", etc. Even if you are the world's greatest and most positive youth coach, a kid facing failure and humiliation is already in a negative mind set and looking for reinforcement of that self image.

My two cents on how to break the cycle:

Try bunting them. This gives them an opportunity to help the team even while making an out. You should already be teaching the team about a team approach to hitting, with examples including getting a fly ball with a man on third and less than two outs; putting the ball on the ground to the right side to make sure the runner advances while also trying for a hit; etc. If you teach your team that a productive out deserves a round of "high fives" when they come back to the dugout -- and after all, it truly does -- then you can simply bunt these kids a bit and get them into a more positive mode.

The added benefit is that since you have a 9u team on your hands, half the time they'll get a hit if they get the bunt down, or better yet the other team will throw the ball away. Next thing you know your struggling kids are taking the extra base and coming around to score some runs. Since confidence is also a big part of hitting, once you break the downward spiral, you might hope to see some swings make contact, too. And if you've drawn the infield in a bit, hits are more likely even if they don't have a lot of "pop" yet.

To do this most effectively you should separate them by 3-4 batters in the order. It's not often you'll want to bunt back to back, so put some space between them.

Also, be sure the top and middle guys in your order has to bunt when it's their turn, too. One of the best experiences my son had was when he got to his 13u team. He still batted cleanup, but if he came up with men on 1st and 2nd and no outs, he got the bunt sign. The message was: the team is more important than ANY one player, even the big slugger. This has the added benefit of having your struggling players feel like they aren't being singled out, they are only being asked to do what every other player would be asked to do in a similar situation. And it keeps your stud guys from getting their egos too big -- which will help curtail their natural tendency to ridicule their struggling teammates.

You can also reinforce this by devoting substantial practice time to bunting drills disguised as contests, situational hitting in batting practice, and contests among groups of the team in practice (3 groups of 4 or 4 groups of 3) where points are awarded not based on deep hits, but bunts and situational hits. Winners get an extra treat after practice!

We once had the typical cycle where we batted all our roster, but scored only when the top of the order came around. If they had a bad day, we would lose.

After we got more into "small ball", we broke open more games. Hitting feeds on itself, so we caught fire more often. Everyone got into the act. We still got bombs from the sluggers, but overall we put up a lot more runs. Sometimes we would just get one here, two there, next thing you know it's the fourth inning and we had 6 runs instead of the usual 1 or 2. We could win a 6-4 game where we used to lose 4-1. Or, if we got a big rally, instead of a good win it became slaughter rule time.

Most youth teams are formed by coaches who are looking primarily to advance their sons, and they recruit other players mainly to act as the supporting cast. If you develop the mentality that everyone is expected to contribute for the good of the team as a whole, you will blast those teams out of the water.
Don't take this wrong. I don't know you or your players. We had a couple like these two on our team this Spring. Ever notice how the big hitters in the team get all the BP they need or want while the little guys get a few quick pitches before the game to say that you did it. Now, I am not saying that is what is happening with your team, but it was happening on ours.

Give the kids a lot of BP. Work on easier drills with them. Lots of work off the tee. Work on the basics over and over. Look for things that could help. Are they that far behind the others or is there a big piece of the picture out of place? One of our kids was using his t-ball bat. His dad wnated him to because he was small and could swing it more quickly. He bailed out a lot though and the little bat never even made it to the plate. A little bigger bat and some TLC and he was in business. Make it your goal to help them improve to a point where they will be able to have fun and contribute for their next team. They may surpise you in the last few games of your season and the Championship games by getting a hit to keep an inning going.

Stick with them. There is nothing like the look on an apposing teams coach's face when one of those "sure outs" puts one in play.

Kids at this age want to have fun playing ball. They have a lot more fun if they are successful. We separated ours by a few batters in the middle and end of the line-up. We put a couple of strong hitters behind each one when we could. That way if they did get on they had a real good chance of advancing and probably scoring a run. Believe me these kids want it as badly as the rest of them.

Regards,

Tim
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CH, I can understand what you're saying, but the fact remains that these kids play with their heads down most of the time. Dad10 and Midlo (as usual) had very constructive things to say. I have used the bunt with these youngin's many times after plenty of practice. It taught them how to make contact with the bat and ball and gave them confidence for the future, and thats called development. For the present, If they learn to bunt, bat one second and one in the 6-8 holes and use the new found bunting ability as a situational tool and as was said here already, one that comes with rewards (high 5's). Now, there's nothing more rewarding and fun for a player than to contribute to his team and fit in with the guys.

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