A-Rob "HA" play

Unbelievably weak!!

He should have been out for interference. It is interference to try to audibly distract a fielder.

CV

I meant A-Rod, for the title, but how fitting,hahaha

well..Actually he did nothing wrong according to the OBR....

This is where strict OBR differs from NFHS and NCAA.....Both NFHS and NCAA agree that you can verbally interfere......OBR does not....

In Pro baseball the official interpretation is that interference may not be a verbal act alone.....

The A/O from the Jaksa Roder is "it is not interference if the the intent to interfere is solely verbal."

That being said I would not allow a youth league that is based on OBR to get away with this.

Funny how ARod always seems to be involved in pulling some sketchy plays.

Excerpts from MLB article about it:
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As Rodriguez ran behind Clark on his way to third, he yelled out and the third baseman immediately pulled up, thinking Toronto shortstop John McDonald was calling for the ball. The baseball dropped to the turf, allowing Matsui to score.

"I was under the fly ball and I thought I was called off," said the 33-year-old Clark. "It wasn't Johnny Mac. I let it drop. I was under it and I heard a 'Mine' call, so I let it go.”

The typically softspoken McDonald barked at Rodriguez, who stood on third base and could be seen occasionally smirking as Gibbons came on to the field to discuss the play with the umpires.

Television replays, which featured slow-motion close-ups of Rodriguez's face, clearly showed him shouting something out as he ran directly behind Clark. It appeared as though he yelled, "Mine," which is what Clark indicated he heard. Rodriguez had a different version of the story altogether.

Earlier this month, Rodriguez threw a left elbow at Boston's Dustin Pedroia after the second baseman had already relayed a throw during a double play.

Blue Jays third baseman Troy Glaus, who sat out with a sore left hamstring, was quick to say he'd have some choice words for a teammate that pulled the same stunt.

"You'd have to," said Glaus, who added that he had never seen a similar incident in his 10 big-league seasons. "You'd have to discuss and talk to him why that's not a good thing -- why that's not appropriate.

"Not since I think 'Major League 2,' the movie [have I seen something like that]," he added with a laugh. "I've never heard of someone doing it and I've never seen anybody do it. I've never had it happen to me. It's disappointing. That's not proper."

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The play the other day seemed a bit sketchy, sliding into second (ok so far) then completely changing direction 90degrees toward third and launching himself from the bag up and into Pedroia with an elbow to the groin. Nice.

Having said that, I thought the whole NY Post thing yesterday was underhanded. ARod didn't deserve that, that was cheap and sleazy.

By the way, thanks to piaa_ump for the rule clarification. This is my favorite forum on the HSBBWeb due in large part to his and MSP and pilsner's great knowledge (and patience)

I don't think either play was "sketchy". He didn't hit Pedroia in the groin.

Talk to Hal McRae about his slides into 2B...or Bill Madlock.

redbird - you're right, he didn't actually hit Pedroia in the groin, but it wasn't for lack of trying. Credit pedroia's reflexes for that. And while I say sketchy, I don't say blatantly illegal or classless or whatever. But sketchy, yeah, I think alot of people think things like this are sketchy, on the borderline where most players wouldn't stoop.

I'm not justifying what A-Rod did. I would never teach my team or any player to do that. But, why would wouldn't he just catch it? Especially when he was camped out under it? The Blue Jays wouldn't be angry and throwing blame if the professional 3rd baseman caught the pop-up he was parked under. IMO.

Can you really believe anything AR says.
Whether it broke the rules or not that is another AR cheap shot and I don't hate the guy. As a ball player he is great as a man he is a low life.

Probably because he has been taught that if the SS calls for it. it's his. Just like the F8 calls off all outfielders. If SS or CF wants it, they get it.
While technically not ilegal in pro baseball it certainly is bush league and players the caliber of Arod should never even think of doing something like that.

I agree and if that's the case then the SS shouldn't wait until the ball is on the guy's nose to call it. All symantics...and still a bush league move by A-Rod.

I grabbed this from another discussion on this topic:

MLB Official Rules: 7.00 The Runner
7.08
Any runner is out when --
(b) He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball;
MLB Official Rules: 2.00 Definition of Terms
INTERFERENCE
(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter- runner, or a runner out for interference.

CV, cite noted, but it has been long-established interp that in strict OBR, (strictly) verbal 'interference' is not interference and is not penalized.


Except later at the plate.

Does anyone really care what AROD does---the man is self destructing not to mention that he is not a WINNER

I think "HA" is what AROD claims he said. On ESPN yesterday, they were talking about him saying "Mine". Slo-mo replay did show him closing his lips as if making an "M" sound. And, of course, SS has priority so 3B would bail out if he thought he heard his SS call him off.

They also showed AROD's "slide" into Pedroia. He clearly slid towards the bag and then lunged to the left at Pedroia. Very lame.

They also showed him swatting the ball out of Arroyo's glove in a play at 1B.

I think the guy is cracking from the pressure of being under a magnifying glass.

All just my opinions, of course.

Even with all his talent I don't think I would want him on my team---look at his track record---where or when has HIS TEAM won?

A Toronto paper had him on front page with his lady friend. Caption was A-Stray. He is certainly a bad example for young ball players.

Amen to that TR, here's hoping the Sox don't pick him up.

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Originally posted by dad10:
Amen to that TR, here's hoping the Sox don't pick him up.

:lol: The Sox were DYING to pick him up a few years ago.

whole lotta nuthing.
any other player no discussion.
Just catch the ball. He was never in position anyway when u watch the replay.

wrt to the slide into second how about the "come to a stop 1/2 way to second then body block the second baseman" play? Thats ok because it was a Boston runner or just because it was not A-Rod?

because it wasn't arod. seriously i was surprised there wasn't a call on that play. didn't look legal to me.

I didn't see the play but as far as I'm concerned, I don't care if it's A Rod or someone else. Stupid baseball is stupid baseball.

I agree that it is not "good" baseball to shout out mine while running by a player, but how is this different than a short stop or second baseman pretending to field a ball that is hit to the outfield? Why is "OK" for the defense to fake out the runner? Out fielders routinely fake like they are going to catch a ball that they know they cannot get to just to hold up the runner. On a hit and run the short stop will run to the bag like he is getting ready to catch a ball even if the ball is hit to the gap. If one set of fake or misleading actions is fine why is the other not?

Team Zona,
First off welcome to the HSBBW. That’s a very good question you posed, so let me ask you one.
Would you agree that there's a huge difference between deeking a runner to hold him up, and faking a play to make a runner slide un-necessarily? It's a safety issue right? The same goes for an INF or OF calling a ball. It's to avoid said fielders from crashing into one another. You just don't mess with a guy trying to make a play. The only exception here is going in hard to break up a double play, or a play at the plate.

There are accepted plays that are fakes, and there are unacceptable plays. Generally speaking, if a play puts no-one at risk for injury, it's deemed acceptable. This one was definitely unacceptable.

The rules, though perhaps unwritten, have been there for a long time, and for good reason. You don't mess with these protocols because it leads to escalation, and we don't like to see people get injured. ARod will have to wear one as payment for his indiscretion, just a matter of when it happens.
To quote the great Steely Dan, "Any Major Dude Will Tell You."

I still don't understand why this is not interference.
According to OBR the definition is
"Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter- runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules.
Clearly this caused confusion.

Mainly it isnt interference because in Pro baseball the official interpretation is that interference may not be a verbal act alone.....

The A/O from the Jaksa Roder is "it is not interference if the the intent to interfere is solely verbal."

Pro baseball rules come from a time when players where brutal to each other verbally (read some of the things COBB called Ruth).......

This is just a remnant of those times.....

And of course being an umpire, you know that the rule book does not give us all the direction needed to be able to interpret the rules.......those come from advanced study of the accepted advanced materials....(the jaksa/roder or the JEA)

As PIAA says in pro ball they are supposed to be advanced and savvy enough not to let it affect them. Obviously it didn't happen in this case. In youth baseball get the interference.

Agreed with MST 100 %.........do not allow a youth league that is based on OBR to get away with this....

I expect Arod will wear one down the road for his indescretion....

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Originally posted by spizzlepop:
Generally speaking, if a play puts no-one at risk for injury, it's deemed acceptable. This one was definitely unacceptable.

On the A-Rod situation, what risk of injury are you talking about???

Its a general statement Beez, pertaining to the reason that players call for balls- so that multiple players don't try catch a single ball when they can't see each other. That's one safety aspect.
As for the A-Rod play... the guy with the biggest risk for injury is A-Rod himself.

This is the way Major leaguers police this type of activity..........A-Rod was thrown at monday night and plunked on Tuesday.....

and of course as it always is in pro ball, Clemens then went out and plunked a blue jay....

benches cleared.....some ejections, some possible suspensions coming down.......

It's part of the game. Without it there would be no competitive fire.