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Academic vs. Athletic Money

MadDogPAMadDogPA100+ posts
If a coach has two recruits at the same position with comparable skills. One qualifies for academic money, which is more than the minimum scholarship, and the 2nd doesn't qualify for the academic money. Who is the coach going to offer the athletic scholarship money to?
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Tx-HuskerTx-Husker1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by MadDogPA:
If a coach has two recruits at the same position with comparable skills. One qualifies for academic money, which is more than the minimum scholarship, and the 2nd doesn't qualify for the academic money. Who is the coach going to offer the athletic scholarship money to?


It would be kind of silly to give athletic money to the academic kid based solely on what you've written, wouldn't it?
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M MDBMember
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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
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Originally posted by MadDogPA:
If a coach has two recruits at the same position with comparable skills. One qualifies for academic money, which is more than the minimum scholarship, and the 2nd doesn't qualify for the academic money. Who is the coach going to offer the athletic scholarship money to?


It would be kind of silly to give athletic money to the academic kid based solely on what you've written, wouldn't it?


So what should the academic kid do? Look elsewhere or ask for a roster spot without athletic money?
CPLZCPLZ1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by MDB:
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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
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Originally posted by MadDogPA:
If a coach has two recruits at the same position with comparable skills. One qualifies for academic money, which is more than the minimum scholarship, and the 2nd doesn't qualify for the academic money. Who is the coach going to offer the athletic scholarship money to?


It would be kind of silly to give athletic money to the academic kid based solely on what you've written, wouldn't it?


So what should the academic kid do? Look elsewhere or ask for a roster spot without athletic money?


What he's saying, is that the academic kid will be offered a roster spot but shown that his academic money is greater than the athletic budget could offer and his better option is to be at this school with a guaranteed roster spot and an academic scholarship.
Tx-HuskerTx-Husker1,000+ posts
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What he's saying, is that the academic kid will be offered a roster spot but shown that his academic money is greater than the athletic budget could offer and his better option is to be at this school with a guaranteed roster spot and an academic scholarship.


Exactly...and the team will be better if he takes academic money because more athletic money will be availble for another player who won't get academic money. Not really fair to the dual talent (field & classroom) kid, but we all know things are not fair.
CPLZCPLZ1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by mood for baseball:
Another question along these lines. If an out of State school offers "in State" tuition is that considered part of an Athletic offer? Or can they offer "in State" and then athletic $ or % on top of that?


No, it's not part of an athletic offer, it is something that the school offers as an inducement to enroll out of state. Many states have automatic reciprocal agreements with bordering states. Some schools offer in state tuition based on high academics to try and attract high caliber students. The key is that this inducement is offered to the student population at large under a standard criteria. If this was offered to this individual only, then yes, it would be considered athletic aid.

Anything can be offered above and beyond that, including grants, academic scholarships, athletic scholarships, etc.
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Tx-HuskerTx-Husker1,000+ posts
Check the target school's website. It will probably be a boardering state to your state. For the schools in boardering states to Texas that I'm aware of, they call it out on their website and it comes in the form of a scholarship to eliminate the in state vs out state difference. Generally, it seems to be reserved for higher academic performers...not available to everyone.
MadDogPAMadDogPA100+ posts
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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Check the target school's website. It will probably be a boardering state to your state. For the schools in boardering states to Texas that I'm aware of, they call it out on their website and it comes in the form of a scholarship to eliminate the in state vs out state difference. Generally, it seems to be reserved for higher academic performers...not available to everyone.


Good idea...thanks
cheapseatscheapseats1,000+ posts
I may be missing something here....why wouldn't you advise the player to get both athletic AND academic money?

As far as the coach goes in the OP's scenario, at the end of the day isn't the coach going to offer the athletic money to the player he is most interested in having in his program? It is my impression that coaches are going for skill first, brains second.
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CPLZCPLZ1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by cheapseats:
I may be missing something here....why wouldn't you advise the player to get both athletic AND academic money?



The NCAA threshold for being able to accept academic money and not have hit counted as athletic aid, is much higher than most colleges threshold for academic aid.

In many cases, the student/athlete would not meet the NCAA threshold, but would be eligible for academic aid from the institution. In that case, if the student accepts no athletic aid, it won't count against the 11.7 scholarships. If the athlete does accept the athletic and academic aid, as a non qualifier for academic aid by NCAA standards, all the monies will be counted against the 11.7 scholarships. Coaches don't allow this to happen. They require the non qualifier to accept one or the other.
MadDogPAMadDogPA100+ posts
The player, and his parents, would be happy to accept both athletic and academic money. The school in question said his GPA/SATs qualified him for both, however, as it was said earlier, the coach probably feels he can get two players for the same athletic money, if he offers the kid who doesn't qualify for academic money.
G gamefan100+ posts
I'm confused. So if an athlete receives merit award of $10,000 and athletic award $10,000, and tuition is $40,000 that counts as a 50% athletic scholarship....or the minimum 25% scholarship?

And to MadDog - can the coach offer a walk on spot to the kid getting academic money (costing the coach 0), and an athletic scholarship to kid 2....getting 2 for the price of one?
cheapseatscheapseats1,000+ posts
If you meet certain academic parameters your academic money doesn't count towards the baseball program... getting "both" worked well for us. Smile

MadDog - you might check to see if he meets the threshold where his academic money does not count against the baseball program, if he does it shouldn't really matter to the coach what he is getting on the academic side since it doesn't count against him.

From 3fingered glove, our resident guru on the rules:
The NCAA divides money into two categories-- institutional and outside money. Any funds administered by the college are considered to be institutional, and all of it, excepting certain types of academic money, is countable. Countable means that the awards count against the 11.7 equivalency calculation. It doesn't matter if the scholarship is available to everyone, or if athletic accomplishments play no part in the award. The only way (there are some very rare exceptions) that institutional money is not countable for a freshman player is to meet the NCAA D1 thresholds to qualify as an academic award. The player needs either a 1200 (out of 1600) on the SATs (or 105 on total ACT), a 3.5 cumulative GPA, or rank in the top 10% of his high school class.
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PU Pop Up Hitter dad1,000+ posts
From 3fingered glove, our resident guru on the rules:
The NCAA divides money into two categories-- institutional and outside money. Any funds administered by the college are considered to be institutional, and all of it, excepting certain types of academic money, is countable. Countable means that the awards count against the 11.7 equivalency calculation. It doesn't matter if the scholarship is available to everyone, or if athletic accomplishments play no part in the award. The only way (there are some very rare exceptions) that institutional money is not countable for a freshman player is to meet the NCAA D1 thresholds to qualify as an academic award. The player needs either a 1200 (out of 1600) on the SATs (or 105 on total ACT), a 3.5 cumulative GPA, or rank in the top 10% of his high school class.



Son is being offered a 60/40 scholarship at D1,40% is athletic and 60 for academic. His current GPA at JC is around 3.5. Is there any difference in the GPA requirements coming out of JC? If his GPA drops below 3.5 this coming spring, then the D1 has to pull the 60% academic scholarship?
CPLZCPLZ1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by gamefan:
I'm confused. So if an athlete receives merit award of $10,000 and athletic award $10,000, and tuition is $40,000 that counts as a 50% athletic scholarship....or the minimum 25% scholarship?

And to MadDog - can the coach offer a walk on spot to the kid getting academic money (costing the coach 0), and an athletic scholarship to kid 2....getting 2 for the price of one?


To part 1, that would count as a 50% athletic scholarship if the athlete did not meet the specified NCAA academic qualifer for aid threshold.

To part 2, yes
F 3FingeredGlove1,000+ posts
PUHd,
The rules are different for freshmen. Once a player is in college, the basic requirement is a 3.3 GPA.

15.5.3.2.2.2 Academic Honor Awards—Transfer Students. Academic honor awards that are part of an institution’s normal arrangements for academic scholarships, either based solely on the recipient’s cumulative academic record from all collegiate institutions previously attended or based on the recipient’s high school record and cumulative academic record from all collegiate institutions previously attended, awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, may be exempted from a team’s equivalency computation, provided the recipient achieved a cumulative transferable grade-point average of at least 3.300 (based on a maximum of 4.000).
15.5.3.2.2.2.1 Calculation of Grade-Point Average. Grades earned in all courses that are normally transferable to an institution shall be considered in determining the grade-point average for meeting this exception, regardless of the grade earned or whether such grade makes the course unacceptable for transferable degree credit.
15.5.3.2.2.2.2 Renewals. The renewal of an academic honor award (per Bylaw 15.5.3.2.2.2) may be exempted from an institution’s equivalency computation, provided:
(a) The recipient achieves a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.300 (based on a maximum of 4.000) at the certifying institution; and
(b) The recipient meets all NCAA, conference and institutional progress-toward-degree requirements.
B bball15Member
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The NCAA divides money into two categories-- institutional and outside money. Any funds administered by the college are considered to be institutional, and all of it, excepting certain types of academic money, is countable. Countable means that the awards count against the 11.7 equivalency calculation. It doesn't matter if the scholarship is available to everyone, or if athletic accomplishments play no part in the award. The only way (there are some very rare exceptions) that institutional money is not countable for a freshman player is to meet the NCAA D1 thresholds to qualify as an academic award. The player needs either a 1200 (out of 1600) on the SATs (or 105 on total ACT), a 3.5 cumulative GPA, or rank in the top 10% of his high school class.


So a kid only has to meet one of these criteria? I am a hs junior just starting my college search. I thought the highest you could get on the ACT was 35.
BaseballmomandCEPBaseballmomandCEP1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Swampboy:
MadDogPA,
There's something called the Academic Common Market, through which most of the southern states have agreed to offer in-state rates to out of state students pursuing majors not offered by state schools where they live. Different states participate at different levels (for example, Florida only does it for graduate programs, not for undergraduate).

It's not designed for athletes, but athletes can use it. Depending on what state you live in and what out-of-state school you want to attend, you may be able to find an acceptable major. The downside is that you will probably choose from a very narrow list of majors and if you decide to change majors you might have to pay out-of-state rates retroactively. However, if you're sure you want to play at a certain school and a major reasonably amenable to your education goals is on the list, it can make an out-of-state school affordable.

I believe there are similar regional arrangements in other regions of the country. I don't know if Pennsylvania is part of one of them. Your state dept of education should be able to help you because the application process requires students first to get accepted to the college, then to apply for the rates through their home state education department.
F 3FingeredGlove1,000+ posts
PUHd.
I'm not sure what you mean. The concept of a core curriculum applies to high school, and would be used in determining if a player is a qualifier. So the Ceramics grade wouldn't count in determining qualifier status.

The GPA calculation to decide if a freshman player may receive exempted academic money is separate, and I believe it is based on all of his high school courses.

Similarly, if he took Ceramics at a JC, and the new college normally accepts that course for credit, then the A counts as part of his cumulative GPA, and would contribute to the 3.3 requirement for exempted academic aid.

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