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Hurting the kids that play baseball.

What am I talking about? I'm talking about umpires that have personal agendas for their team or against another. And the Kentucky High School Athletic Association for letting these things to go on.

In the 14th region in Kentucky, they have one of the worst umpiring crews to litter a field. And before you umps out there that may read this say I am just belly aching because my team didn't get the right calls and that I just don't know what I am talking about, listen to what I have to say. I know that there are very high quality umpires in this country, in the state of Kentucky, and in the 14th region. I am not talking about you. You are the ones that make the elite crews what they are. You don't make calls for or against a team becuse you like or dislike "Litle Johnnie's" dad. You do your job because you like to do it and it feels good to help out in the community.

I'm talking about those that are there to make an extra $42.50 to $75 a game. The ones that are behind the plate because their nephew is pitching that game and wants to make him look good and so on.

This year the 14th region has had more complaints on the umpires than in the past 5 years combined. And not just by parents, (they always complain). Coaches, players, and school officials are complaining as well. It's getting to be an epidemic(SP). I have been to games throughout the state and have seen some quality umpires and then I have seen those that good but have umped on too many games that day. You guys get tired as well, I know that.

Now some of these guys that are umps in the 14th are upstanding citizens in the community. We have one umpire that recieved a very high honor in the state. Is he one of these bad umps? You bet he is.

Some examples I'd like to give.
1. During a game this year a batter checks his swing an a high pitch. The plate ump calls a ball. The catcher asks for an appeal to the ump and stays with the call, so the catcher wants to appeal to the field ump. He says "I didn't see it." He wasn't paying attention. In fact when the plate ump asked the field ump, he had to get his attention since he was looking up into the trees.

2. An ump hasn't been paid by the school where a game was held. Is it the team's fault? No. At the school in question they pay the umps by sending them a check. This ump complained to the president of the teams boosters a few times and the president said that the boosters don't pay the umps that the school does out of the gate money by check. All that the boosters can do is to remind the person at the school that this ump needs to be paid. But still, he decides to make bad calls against this team, even though they don't have control over what the school does.

3. A ump is behind the plate while his son is pitching. The opposing coach didn't know this until after the game, therefor he couldn't protest the ump being behind the plate. The ump calls strikes that should be balls. Heck, one blatant strike was called when the catcher had to almost stand straight up to get the ball.

4. During this years 14th region tournament we had 8 umps that qualified to ump the tournament. 8 out of 20 or more that we have in the region. Why just 8? Because those 8 were the only ones to go to the mandatory clinics held each year. Out of those 8, 3 are respectable umpires.

One coach in the region had had so much with these umps that he had umps that weren't KHSAA certified to come in and ump his last game. And did he pay for that. This team should have won their district, but they didn't. Yea, the umps that were supposed to call that last game were calling the district.

And the KHSAA doesn't care. Kentucky is a basketball and football state. That's all they care about. We have great baseball players. Caz Roe and Tyler Oliver come to mind. Some kids only play baseball. But, what do some people care?

Why am I complaining? I am complaining because somewhere down the road these kids that give so much of their time are going to be hurt by these going ons. Some of these kids may be scouted somewhere. And when we get an ump that tries to make another kid to look good because there's a scout watching isn't going to impress the those scouts. Scouts aren't dummies people. Scouts are scouts because they know the game, they know a strike from a ball, they know an average player from a high calibe player, and they know that when they see that they have been duped into believing a player is one of those high caliber players. All you are doing is making sure that scouts don't come out to see the players that deserve to be seen and giving our region a bad name. If I was a scout and knew these things were going on, I wouldn't bother showing up unless the coach was highly respected and known to the scouting community.

So, why don't you 14th region umpires and the KHSAA wise up and give these kids the respect that they deserve. You never know when this part of the state may get a good draft pick like Chaz Roe. Players like that aren't made because an ump makes him look good. Players like that are made because they give 110% percent on and of the field for the game that they love. So, don't take that away from them because you have an agenda.
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Its worse in basketball.

Not condoning it. But, I've said it many times. One of these days, a big strong athletic player will take it into his own hands.

He'll decide he'd rather not play and that whatever punishment he gets is worth it.

All because governing bodies refuse to hold their officials accountable.

The coach is held accountable. The player is. The fans are. The umpires are not. No matter how bad they are.

Mark my word. It will happen.
Teacherman I feel that some umpires feel that they are the show. Some think they are above reproach. Some think that they can do whatever they want and if you question them they just threaten to toss you or they do toss you. Most umpires that I have dealt with over the years are x players coaches etc that just love the game and want to be a part of it. They are outstanding guys. But the ones that are not are the biggest *******s in the world. You can spot them a mile away. They have elephant ears and call the game according to how they feel they are being treated by the coach or coaches. Or by how cold it is or how hot it is. Or their check was not ready when they got there so they are pissed off and they take it out on the home team. Or they are half asleep in the field and when asked to check a swing they are looking in the outfield etc. It may just be another paycheck opportunity to them but to the players and coaches it is the biggest game of the year everytime we play. Again most umpires are outstanding people and professionals. The ones that are not should be let go right away. The problem is , its seems that they are untouchable for some reason. JMO
Tas - Of course, I don't know of the specifics you are speaking of - however, I can tell you that the umpiring in the 11th region tournament was the worse I have ever seen during this great time of the year. I'm not just speaking of our game, but the entire tournament. Michael was pegged once during our game. Ump said no. We spoke to the pitcher last night - "dude, I hit you". Many controversial calls during the next two nights. Not sure what area these guys came from - didn't recognize any of them. I'm also not sure how the umps are decided upon for the highschool playoffs?

Hopefully, this year isn't a reflection of what's to come next year or further in this year's tournament. For the most part, the umpires during our season did a really good job.
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Originally posted by lafmom:
For the most part, the umpires during our season did a really good job.


Part of the quality of umpires for your games has a lot to do with Roe pitching. Knowing numerous scouts will be there, I think a special effort was made to be sure at least the plate ump was decent when Roe was on the mound. I didn't see many of Roe's games, but I know when we played your guys and Roe was pitching the home plate umpire was the best my son has ever had. He knew what to expect as far as balls and strikes and exactly where he needed to put them, and I can't remember one blown call. Same goes for another high profile game we had earlier in the season in Hopkinsville.

Anyway, bad umps are a pet peeve of mine too. Everyone else on the field works hard, so should they.
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Originally posted by lexhitmen23:
The KHSAA has plenty of problems. They wouldn't let me play this year (my senior year) basically because I missed a year of school two years ago due to illness.


Have to agree with you lex...they really don't have the best interest of the student-athletes at heart. Look how they ruled that transfers from 'failing schools' had to sit out a year before playing sports at their new school. I thought that was pretty pathetic.
Having coached for many years I have some observations. the umpiring was much better before. the problem today with some is that they do not use common sense and some look for a confrontation with a coach because they have the ultimate hammer(ejection) I am presently coaching in an adult league. The other night our pitcher a young college kid was called for a balk. He was kind of upset.one of the comments from the umpire was "learn how to play the game" why say this? what is the purpose of such a statement? why not just explain his call and move on? It is all about their attitude.
Top Dog, That may be true about umpires at games Chaz was pitching. I don't know. At our place, we had the pretty much the same rotation of guys we've always had. There was only one young guy this year that I felt did a poor job and presented a bit of "attitude". It was during one of our many rained out tournaments and he made it clear he didn't want to wait around. Other than that - they were the usually good group.

The scenario you speak with the kids transferring due to the "No kids left Behind" rule was pathetic. I still can't believe that if a kid is allowed to transfer from a non-performing school that he will be penalized and not allowed to play his sport. Choose good academics or continue playing your sport? What kind of choice is that? That was the craziest thing - I was sure it wouldn't hold up. BUT, it did!!
There is no doubt there are bad umps out there. There are also good umps, very good umps and even a handful of great umps.

How to resolve the bad ump problem is a lesson in frustration. An idea though - In a world where complaining is accepted as the norm perhaps you would accomplish more by NOT complaining.

Try doing the opposite. Each time you get a really good ump - call up the organization that hires him and compliment his professional attitude and job. And not just once either, if he umps 7 games for you call them 7 times. Make it a habit.

After you have established yourself as someone who gives a pat on the back when one is due - then and only then - you can complain about the bad umps, but keep the complaint understated and without venum.

We tend to ignore chronic complainers. We also tend to ignore folks who we don't know well. But when someone who normally commends someone makes a complaint - it is amazing how much better their complaint is heard.

It's worth a try for you since you say nothing else you have tried is working.
I am always astounded to hear of the perceived lack of quality of umpiring that is being passed off as HS umpiring.......

It is a bit hard to believe that an entire region has no good umpires and that the playoff umpires would be of the worse variety rather than the top performers.....but as I have stated before, in HS umpiring often the umpire you get is the most available umpire and not the best umpire....that being said there is no excuse for some of the things you state.....

No real umpire would ever call a game where a family member is a participant....there is no words to describe how unethical that is....

Any umpire who takes out an agenda onto the field is a cheat.......and I will not work with cheaters.......and many of my fellow umpires will not work with them either...

I dont doubt that the "good ol boy" network is alive and well. (it is in PA as well) Many deserving umpires get recommended and attend the required clinic but understand that there is no guarantee of a playoff spot....I understand that this is a clear area where some bad umpires can get into the mix.

Im not sure what can be done......We long term umpires are not encouraged with what we see as a lack of quality in the relatively few younger umpires we see come along...... At 45, I am one of the younger umpires in my HS/College chapter.

I have always stated that I will quit umpiring when I feel I can no longer officiate properly, effectively and fairly.....calling a baseball game is one of my true joys in life.....I dont expect to quit anytime soon, but I would not be associated with the types of umpires you state are in this KY region......

Sad......truly sad.. I'm glad you vented, but I hope you take your complaints to a place that might help.......here you will get sympathy and more bad umpire stories...........but its the Kentucky HS association that needs to be informed.....sounds to me as if there is enough of you to be taken seriously........

best of luck....
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I have taken things into my own hands when umps get out of hand in my events

A couple of years back I was running a tournament and my team was in it---we are winning by a score like 10-3 and the umpiring was absolutely awful, both ways-- the first base ump makes a call against the visiting team, remember they are down 10-3, and I have to tell you he was so wrong on the call I got sick--keep in mind he this ump doesnt know I am in charge of the event--immediately after he blew the call at first I called for time-- he asks me what do I want-- I look at him take off my glasses and offer them to him with these words " I think you can use these"-- he heaves me and yells to the crowd "This is best call I made all game!"--- I turned and said "It is also the only correct one" loud enough for the fans--I get a standing ovation as I left the field.

In between that day and the next he learns who I am-- and lo and behold I have him behind the plate the next day for our game-- at the pregame conference I am welcomed with " How are you today Mr Rizzi" and he proceeds to call a great game--even with my players silently but loud enough saying "Glasses--Coach Has glasses"

I think he got the point
I believe 99% of the time this year, we have had outstanding Umpiring. Today, we were getting ready for our Super Sectional Championship game tomorrow. I took my catcher to another field to go over his technique because he was all messed up in a recent game. He looks at me and say, "Coach, I know you're going to yell at me but I couldn't catch those balls right yesterday." I asked why not. He replies, "The ump says that if I catch any ball with the fingertips down, it is an automatic ball. That's why I wasn't trying to frame that low pitch." I told him that by catching the ball the other way, (palm to the ground) he was catching the ball but then taking it out of the strike zone and, if that ball is low enough, we run the risk of a pass ball and runners either scoring or advancing. Doesn't this sound absolutely crazy? I've never heard any ump ever try to tell the catcher how to catch a ball and then also say that a penalty (ball) is going to be called if he doesn't catch it a certain way. JMHO!
Coach

Today all too many of the umps think they are HOLIER THAN THOU they control the game--you cannot even approach them without fear of being run

Did I tell you about the ump a few years ago who shows up for 8 AM game in 90 degree temps and already soaked to the bone and sweating and red faced--we get set to start and he realizes he doesnt have his mask-- he comes to our dugout asking if he can borrow a mask from one of our catchers--my starting catcher looks at and says "Coach--this isnt a good sign is it?"
Fortunately the grounds crew came driving up with the umps mask-- I think the sweat and his red face ( 8AM) explained it all and I wasnt at that party !!!

On the other side of the coin in our tournament last year in Warwick RI umps who were not working the title came back to watch the game and root for the kids they got to meet and know during the pool play---you can rest assured I will have that same group back this year
Coach B,

I know where this issue with your catcher came from. A while back there was a list of "hints" that was being passed about the umpire internet websites.....to me, it was more of a "how to bail yourself out if you missed a pitch" rather than a guide to umpiring. And it was written from an adult level of umpiring and not kids... meaning bigger, faster, stronger...

The one your guy interpreted was...

If the ball is caught by the catcher palm up, chances are, if the catcher was set up correctly, that the pitch was a ball when it passed through the zone.

If the catcher goes to his knees and was set up correctly, chance are that the pitch was a ball when it passed through the zone.

If the catcher does not catch a ball on the corners its a ball...

Call every pitch on a stealing situation a strike.......noone is looking where the ball is, everyone, including the batter is looking at 2nd.......

None of them were rules or even accepted mechanics, it was just tips to bail out a bad umpire when he missed a pitch.......

Even when you call it correctly you can get caught when a situation looks bad...... Here is one from my game saturday........

R1 on first......catcher calls a pitch out......F1 throws, F2 steps out to take the throw........F1 throws a perfect strike right down the middle........F2 has to lean way back in to catch the pitch..........

What do you call?.......everyone on the planet sees the catcher step outside the box......then lean way back in to catch the ball..........

Call it a ball?.......call it a strike?......

Call it a ball is cheating although noone outside of you knows it was a strike....

Call it strike and have the stands and defensive coach go crazy.............

I called it a strike.....
I took off to go fishing over the weekend and thought somewhat about what I had posted. Mainly, that maybe I should have just kept my thoughts to myself. But, after reading all of the posts made in this thread, I am glad that I did.

lafmom, I feel the same way. The umps are picked at random. I believe the umps picked have to be veteran umps as well. In our region, only 8 qualified because they were the only 8 to go to the required clinic. The rest didn't go.

I know there are more "good" than there are "bad" umps. And I appreciate those that take time out of their busy lives to do something they enjoy. It surprises me that there was at least another region in Kentucky that has had problems with umpires. I'd call the KHSAA right now if I knew that they would do something. And I know that it isn't going to amount to a hill of beans to the KHSAA on what I have to say. Fans, parents, and grandparents could call all day and it wouldn't matter. You'll not get a coach or an athletic director to call. It may hurt the school's athletic programs. I've talked to a few coaches and people within the school administration and school board. And there words are, "Isn't anything we can do, or else."

The KHSAA could care less if baseball existed in the state. And the only reason they are promoting the state tournament is because it is held at Applebees Park where the Lexington Legends play. And it costs them nothing to host it there. It is sponsored by a company who foots that bill while the KHSAA reaps in all the gate money and merchandise sales.

Next course of action may be to get a lot of people with the same view to send letteres to the Lexington Herald Leader and/or the Louisville Courier Journal.

Thanks to all of you that didn't bash me for my post. It was just something I had to get off of my chest that had been there for most of the season.

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