Allison Returns To Mound
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DRIVEL
Bighit posted this on the 6th---why the redundancy?
Bighit posted this on the 6th---why the redundancy?
Well its a great story. It deserves to be said twice
Why would he want to prove to the people in Peabody that they were wrong? About him?
He's the one that screwed up!
Hope it works out for him.
He's the one that screwed up!
Hope it works out for him.
I don't agree that "it's such a great story, it deserves to be said twice."
Why? The bottom line is, he screwed up bigtime. A recipe for disaster.... give an irresponsible kid a ton of money, let him act like a fool, and look at what you get. The sad thing is, where were his parents when all of this was building up? The whole time this saga was going on, how come they didn't notice? Where were his ex-teammates? Friends? Partying with him? How many responsible people knew that he was self destructing, but turned a blind eye?
I'm also touched that he's got such warm and fuzzy feelings for the Marlins, who are so patient with him, and are letting him come back at his own pace. Here's a news flash.... they are patient with him only because of the mucho dinero invested in him. He's apparently too dumb to realize that the size of their investment is the only reason he's still around. If he'd signed for $10,000, he'd be bagging groceries, because they would have cut him a long time ago.
I wish the best for him, because I don't wish ill will on anyone. However, this is my best "feel good" scenario... a fringe prospect pitcher in the Marlins organization will get cut, because they are holding out promise for a kid that's too stupid to realize that the real world has no patience for junkies. The fringe prospect will wind up playing Indy League ball, and have his rights bought by an MLB team for the grand sum of a handful of bats, a bucket of catfish, and some used batting practice balls. That prospect will make it to the Majors, and beat the Marlins in his debut.
Now, THAT'S a story I'd like to read!
Why? The bottom line is, he screwed up bigtime. A recipe for disaster.... give an irresponsible kid a ton of money, let him act like a fool, and look at what you get. The sad thing is, where were his parents when all of this was building up? The whole time this saga was going on, how come they didn't notice? Where were his ex-teammates? Friends? Partying with him? How many responsible people knew that he was self destructing, but turned a blind eye?
I'm also touched that he's got such warm and fuzzy feelings for the Marlins, who are so patient with him, and are letting him come back at his own pace. Here's a news flash.... they are patient with him only because of the mucho dinero invested in him. He's apparently too dumb to realize that the size of their investment is the only reason he's still around. If he'd signed for $10,000, he'd be bagging groceries, because they would have cut him a long time ago.
I wish the best for him, because I don't wish ill will on anyone. However, this is my best "feel good" scenario... a fringe prospect pitcher in the Marlins organization will get cut, because they are holding out promise for a kid that's too stupid to realize that the real world has no patience for junkies. The fringe prospect will wind up playing Indy League ball, and have his rights bought by an MLB team for the grand sum of a handful of bats, a bucket of catfish, and some used batting practice balls. That prospect will make it to the Majors, and beat the Marlins in his debut.
Now, THAT'S a story I'd like to read!
I hope the young man lives a long and sober life. If his priority is a clean and sober life, the baseball may just work out too. I am pulling for him, and not because he is a ballplayer. I am pulling for him to make it in life.
bbscout- 
Anybody trying to get their life straight deserves support, and I wish him the strength he'll need.
However, I like 2seamers 'feel good' story a lot. Athletes get way too many free passes on legal issues --- particularly drugs, whether they be recreational or body enhancing. I don't believe their talent is that precious or that rare.
And the world does have patience with junkies, as long as that junkie is in entertainment or sports. Doesn't send out a good message, does it?
There are other pitchers out there who deserve the shot and the place on the roster because of their talent and work; there are other pitchers overcoming surgeries rather than self-inflicted "wounds". I'll save my warm feelings for them.
However, I like 2seamers 'feel good' story a lot. Athletes get way too many free passes on legal issues --- particularly drugs, whether they be recreational or body enhancing. I don't believe their talent is that precious or that rare.
And the world does have patience with junkies, as long as that junkie is in entertainment or sports. Doesn't send out a good message, does it?
There are other pitchers out there who deserve the shot and the place on the roster because of their talent and work; there are other pitchers overcoming surgeries rather than self-inflicted "wounds". I'll save my warm feelings for them.
Herion addiction is very tough to beat, you dont just start using herion. The person starts off with drinking, pot and moves up to harder drugs like coke, crack, LSD, Estacy before movingon to heriod. If he is injecting, he might be a lost cause.
We are giant Jeff Allison boosters. We even feel bad that we didn't detect any problems the many times we saw him as a high school player.
It sure would be great to see him come back. He was/is a special talent.
However, this is not yet a "great" story. Hopefully it's the beginning of one though.
It sure would be great to see him come back. He was/is a special talent.
However, this is not yet a "great" story. Hopefully it's the beginning of one though.
TO Perfect Game,
would you report about a player who had a problem with drug or alcohol abuse before the draft.
Allison problem was very well know among his teamates and parents of his teammates. It is amazing what they will tell you about a players off field habits.
would you report about a player who had a problem with drug or alcohol abuse before the draft.
Allison problem was very well know among his teamates and parents of his teammates. It is amazing what they will tell you about a players off field habits.
Dibble,
If we reported what other parents or even team mates had to say about players, we would be spending a lot of time in court rooms.
Jeff Allison attended many PG events over a three year period. National Showcase 2 times, Northeast Top 2 times, and a couple other showcases.
He played for the USA National Team. He played for Baseball America in Jupiter. He played for PG Royal in Marietta. We have never had a team mate or coach of his say anything bad about him.
He stayed in Cedar Rapids, Iowa and worked out at our facility. He lived with one of our staff members while he was here. We are fairly certain he was not on drugs at that time. Guess we should have called you Dibble.
By the way, have you ever met or talked to the kid. Why all this about teammates and parents of teammates? Why do those people confide in you?
The Florida Marlins must not have the volumes of information you pick up. Perhaps they should hire you as their Scouting Director. Do you really think that you knew this kid better than the club that drafted him in the 1st round? So just how "very well known" was this problem?
We report in two different ways.
1. To the general public.
No we would not report anything that could harm a player.
2. To Scouting Directors
Only if we are asked a specific question regarding any knowledge we might have.
Our job is to report playing ability. MLB clubs do there own background investigation. They don't give out millions of dollars to "very well known" heroin addicts!
If we reported what other parents or even team mates had to say about players, we would be spending a lot of time in court rooms.
Jeff Allison attended many PG events over a three year period. National Showcase 2 times, Northeast Top 2 times, and a couple other showcases.
He played for the USA National Team. He played for Baseball America in Jupiter. He played for PG Royal in Marietta. We have never had a team mate or coach of his say anything bad about him.
He stayed in Cedar Rapids, Iowa and worked out at our facility. He lived with one of our staff members while he was here. We are fairly certain he was not on drugs at that time. Guess we should have called you Dibble.
By the way, have you ever met or talked to the kid. Why all this about teammates and parents of teammates? Why do those people confide in you?
The Florida Marlins must not have the volumes of information you pick up. Perhaps they should hire you as their Scouting Director. Do you really think that you knew this kid better than the club that drafted him in the 1st round? So just how "very well known" was this problem?
We report in two different ways.
1. To the general public.
No we would not report anything that could harm a player.
2. To Scouting Directors
Only if we are asked a specific question regarding any knowledge we might have.
Our job is to report playing ability. MLB clubs do there own background investigation. They don't give out millions of dollars to "very well known" heroin addicts!
This hopefully this is a future "feel good" story and Allison uses his recovery as a method that teaches other kids the result of drug use. Sometimes an individual is forced to take one step back in order to help numerous people to take one step forward. As society we need to be a Allison believer because he is the type of "celeberty" that has the potential to get the word out about drug use and who knows that word might be heard by one of our grandkids down the road. Time will tell, but we would be foolish, and shamefull not to support him on his recovery and future soberness.
All people that drink or smoke pot do not graduate to harder drugs. Nor, do all heroin addicts start their addiction with rec drugs. This is a very outdated train of thought. Drug use begins, and is associated with the peer group that one runs with. If that group smokes dope, then dope it is. If it is heroine then that persons first drug may be heroin. The addiction is the narcotic, how you get there is environmentally dependent.
It is also not fair to catagorize those who inject as being a "lost cause" versus those who snort, smoke or whatever they do. Bottom line, you use or you don't use.
There seems that eveyone knew of Allisons HS drug problem. Isn't it amazing that everyone comes out of the closet after the shet hits the fan.
All people that drink or smoke pot do not graduate to harder drugs. Nor, do all heroin addicts start their addiction with rec drugs. This is a very outdated train of thought. Drug use begins, and is associated with the peer group that one runs with. If that group smokes dope, then dope it is. If it is heroine then that persons first drug may be heroin. The addiction is the narcotic, how you get there is environmentally dependent.
It is also not fair to catagorize those who inject as being a "lost cause" versus those who snort, smoke or whatever they do. Bottom line, you use or you don't use.
There seems that eveyone knew of Allisons HS drug problem. Isn't it amazing that everyone comes out of the closet after the shet hits the fan.
PG,
Saw Allison pitched once in hs showcase as sophomore was 91-93 mph.
people who inject herion can easily catch All kinds of diseases or OD
Saw Allison pitched once in hs showcase as sophomore was 91-93 mph.
people who inject herion can easily catch All kinds of diseases or OD
DRIVEL
Obviously you know absolutely nothing about the boy--
You might also check the spelling of the word "heroin"---the way you spell it breaks down the facade of supposed knowledge.
I agree with PG--how do you have more knowledge about the boy than the Marlins do!
Let me ask you this Drivel--if you knew a player had a problem would you go public?
Obviously you know absolutely nothing about the boy--
You might also check the spelling of the word "heroin"---the way you spell it breaks down the facade of supposed knowledge.
I agree with PG--how do you have more knowledge about the boy than the Marlins do!
Let me ask you this Drivel--if you knew a player had a problem would you go public?
Why do any of you classy Websters pay ANY attention at ALL to what Dibble, Dribble, Drivel, Andy posts?? All of you have WAY too much class to even bother with such ignoramuses...Please press the "ignore" button. Not worth it... 