And 2...

Gotta see it to be sure... not seeing it and based strictly on the description... I have a catch even though it is not a voluntary release... but you really gotta see it to make the call

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
I have a catch even though it is not a voluntary release.

Don't say that to the coach.

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
I have a catch even though it is not a voluntary release.

Don't say that to the coach.

no I would not tell him that on the play above... but if I called it an no catch.. then "coach we don't have voluntary release"..

No catch

I've got an out because he called it an out... even if he did jump the gun maybe. If there are runners on all heck will break loose if you don't make the call and stick with it.

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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
I've got an out because he called it an out... even if he did jump the gun maybe. If there are runners on all heck will break loose if you don't make the call and stick with it.

By rule, no catch.

The umpire has two options: Immediately bring the right hand down and signal "no-catch" while verbalizing very loudly, or stick with the wrong call.

Either way, a discussion with a coach will ensue.

Personally, I'd reather be apologzing for a poor mechanic and get the call right, than apologize for a poor mechanic and let the wrong call stand.

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I've got an out because he called it an out... even if he did jump the gun maybe. If there are runners on all heck will break loose if you don't make the call and stick with it.

It can easily turn into a major fiasco. We had it happen in a game once with the bases loaded. Umpire called it not a catch so the runners went and then in the middle of the runners moving he changed his mind! We had runners all over the place and there ended up being discussions with both coaches. I don't remember the final outcome of the play, but I know that there were a few coaches who were lucky to remain in the game (from both sides) and I'm pretty sure the runners were not in the "correct" place when it was all said and done.