appeal

NO.

NEVER........

Only on a call of a ball can an appeal be "requested".........

That is what I thought.Thanks.


So,in your opinion,should the umpire hold off on making a strike call in that situation so the first base ump,that has a better view,can make the correct call.


This call actually went in our favor this past weekend and it was evident the swing was checked,really wasn't even close.


I told the coach of the other team that I didn't think a strike call could be appealed and that is why it wasn't granted.

No we never wait....It is the HP umpires responsiblity to call balls and strikes.....we never defer to anyone to make a call for us on a ball or strike.....

In the checked swing appeal, the base umpire basically overturns our call of ball based on his view of the checked swing......

Good call by you....Im not sure how many trained umpires you encounter in 8U baseball, but asking to appeal a called strike or on a judgment call is usually not met with much appreciation.......its a clear indication that the coach does not have knowledge of the fundamental rules of baseball....of which this is one....

Just to be clear I want to add in the appropriate rule....

Please note that under NFHS rules,(since this is a HS site, I always quote NFHS rules first) the HP umpire does not have to honor a request for an appeal on a checked swing......I always will, but not everyone will....

Here is the applicable OBR rule...

9.02

c) If a decision is appealed, the umpire making the decision may ask another umpire for information before making a final decision. No umpire shall criticize, seek to reverse or interfere with another umpire’s decision unless asked to do so by the umpire making it.

Rule 9.02(c) Comment: The manager or the catcher may request the plate umpire to ask his partner for help on a half swing when the plate umpire calls the pitch a ball, but not when the pitch is called a strike. The manager may not complain that the umpire made an improper call, but only that he did not ask his partner for help. Field umpires must be alerted to the request from the plate umpire and quickly respond. Managers may not protest the call of a ball or strike on the pretense they are asking for information about a half swing.
Appeals on a half swing may be made only on the call of ball and when asked to appeal, the home plate umpire must refer to a base umpire for his judgment on the half swing. Should the base umpire call the pitch a strike, the strike call shall prevail.
Baserunners must be alert to the possibility that the base umpire on appeal from the plate umpire may reverse the call of a ball to the call of a strike, in which event the runner is in jeopardy of being out by the catcher’s throw. Also, a catcher must be alert in a base stealing situation if a ball call is reversed to a strike by the base umpire upon appeal from the plate umpire.
The ball is in play on appeal on a half swing.

Thanks,this was actually my daughters softball game but I am pretty sure the same rules apply for both in this instance.

As PIAA said you can't appeal a called strike, but you also can't argue a call that has been appealed. If the PU calls a ball and then appeals it to the BU whatever he calls it is what it is.
I agree with PIAA about calling it when you should and not wait. If you aren't sure call on a swing then go to your partner right away especially on a full count.

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
Rule 9.02(c) Comment: ... Baserunners must be alert to the possibility that the base umpire on appeal from the plate umpire may reverse the call of a ball to the call of a strike, in which event the runner is in jeopardy of being out by the catcher’s throw. Also, a catcher must be alert in a base stealing situation if a ball call is reversed to a strike by the base umpire upon appeal from the plate umpire.
The ball is in play on appeal on a half swing.

I'm confused by the part above. Is it simply stating that the ball is live during an appeal?

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Originally posted by Roger Tomas:

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
Rule 9.02(c) Comment: ... Baserunners must be alert to the possibility that the base umpire on appeal from the plate umpire may reverse the call of a ball to the call of a strike, in which event the runner is in jeopardy of being out by the catcher’s throw. Also, a catcher must be alert in a base stealing situation if a ball call is reversed to a strike by the base umpire upon appeal from the plate umpire.
The ball is in play on appeal on a half swing.

I'm confused by the part above. Is it simply stating that the ball is live during an appeal?

The ball is live during a checkswing appeal.

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The ball is in play on appeal on a half swing.

welcome to the world of OBR language......that whole paragraph just to say the above......

That's what made it confusing. With that much verbage I thought surely it must be saying something more.

(And don't call me Shirley. )

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the HP umpire does not have to honor a request for an appeal on a checked swing......I always will, but not everyone will....

Why wont they ask for help?

Personally I'm not sure why some won't as the worst thing that can happen is a strike is added to the count versus the call of ball.........

having dealt with umpires a long team and especially with the new breed it is probably an ego thing.

I was never sure why Fed even gives an option but ego is not why youy don't check. In most cases where you don't check it's because the PU feels he had a good look or the defense has been abusing the option. In other words checking way more than they should.
Personally, I tell my catchers if they ask, I will too.

MST...........you have a PM.

I had a weird twist to this in a game this High School season. Batter checked swing runner on first with two strikes and two outs. Catcher missed ball PU called ball. Batter asked again what it was PU called ball again. Runner went to second on passed ball, Batter stayed at home whem PU called ball 3 times. Coach, Pitcher, and Catcher wanting an appeal on swing. Runner on second stole third. Catcher before tagging batter throws to third on steal, Runner gets in rundown there is a bad throw runner gets to third. The ball gets back to pitcher who again asks for an appeal on the check swing with the batter still standing at the plate. BU calls strike three. Pitcher throws to first and gets the third out. I still believe this was the wrong call What does everyone else think?

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If you aren't sure call on a swing then go to your partner right away especially on a full count.

Timing...timing... timing...2 strikes 2 outs....if there is a question as to if he went then going right away to a base umpire and not waiting to be asked is the right mechanic....would have worked good here..........

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Please note that under NFHS rules,(since this is a HS site, I always quote NFHS rules first) the HP umpire does not have to honor a request for an appeal on a checked swing......I always will, but not everyone will....

on the other hand.......is as the umpire in question had called BALL 3 times.........I can certainly support him for not honoring an appeal....

Timing........(the lack of it)...can get umpires in trouble....

As a coach and as a player you just want them to get the call right. As a home plate umpire calling balls and strikes is tedious. Now add check swings balls in the dirt foul tips balls hitting batters in the box. Try determining this standing behind the catcher ?many times the base umpire has the best angle on such things. My theory get it right.

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What does everyone else think?

I think the batter should have been standing on First when the appeal was made.

when in doubt..run it out!!