Asking partner for help.

This is just me... and I know we "try to get it right" but on a judgement call.. I am going to live or die with that. I will not ask my partner for help. If the coach asks me to check because of a possible pulled foot, swipe tag, dropped ball etc., there is a good chance if I think there was a possibility that I missed it I will ask... but I won't ask on a judgement call

Never, ever under any circumstances am I asking about a judgment call right in front of me.

1. Umpires do not "over rule" one another. The non calling umpire provides additional information and the calling umpire makes the decision to keep or change his call.

2. The times are a'changin. I saw a game in the Cal league championship series last year in which U1 blew an obvious call at first. (no one on.) U2 and U3, staying chest to ball had excellent looks and both saw that the batter runner was safe by over a step. Time was called, all four umpires huddled and then U1 changed his call.

I asked a AAA umpire acquaintance as to what led to this kinds of behavior. His reply: Instant replay.

In two man mechanics this call wouldn't have been changed....BU would have been straight-lined. But more and more we will see some judgment calls discussed by the umpires in the pros, which will, no doubt, lead to more and more amateur coaches expecting the same.

MST, what would you do if your partner asked you for help and you had clearly seen that the call was blown by him?

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Originally posted by Tangents23:
MST, what would you do if your partner asked you for help and you had clearly seen that the call was blown by him?

Why would I think that I have anything better to say to my partner when I am in an inferior position to judge what happened?

The only time I will give help is if a specific question is asked. If a partner were to ask me, "What do you have," I'd tell him, "Your pay." I am in no position to tell someone who is in a better place to make the call what the call should be unless he gives an indication as to an anomaly involving a missed portion of the necessary information that he needs to make that call.

I would tell him I have nothing for him and to get his own calls from now on. In the parking lot we would discuss what I had and why he missed a call he should have been able to get.
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If there is a pulled foot, dropped ball or some info that may not have been obvious then certainly I help him. If it is a straight safe/out, he is on his own.

In my situation that was pretty much my exact argument to the PU. He responded by saying something along the lines of "getting the call right is the important thing coach, and if I saw that he blew it I am going make sure the correct call is made" I was not happy to say the least.

Yeah, I'm not asking for help on a play like that and I'm not offering either. BU comes to me, I am agreeing with his call. If I tell him different, I might as well call the game myself b/c I have a better view of things than he does.

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Originally posted by Tangents23:
In my situation that was pretty much my exact argument to the PU. He responded by saying something along the lines of "getting the call right is the important thing coach, and if I saw that he blew it I am going make sure the correct call is made" I was not happy to say the least.

Did the coach go to him or did he convince you to talk to him? If the PU gets into it without you asking then tell him you are not taking anything he says, right or wrong, period. Rule 9 very explicitly says one umpire can't overrule another. Even if you ask him for help, all he can do is answer your questions and you do with it as you see fit. It is your call to make, your call to decide if you need help with and what to do with the information if you ask.
If the PU overrules you, especially unsolicited, he is finishing by himself or is getting reported to the assignor. He is dead wrong and has no business in your business.
I have seen adults overrule teens because they think they should, THEY ARE DEAD WRONG!