Astounding ignorance

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Umpire says it is a fair ball because the first baseman had one foot in fair territory when he touched the ball.

it is where the ball is. Now the question is where was the ball in relationship to the 1st base bag when he touched it. Two man game get help.

If the umpire says the ball was over foul territory but he called it fair because the fielder was in fair, then you have a protest. If you protest it then the umps have to get together to try to avoid the protest.
if they still don't get it right, then keep the protest.

with runners on 1 & 2 the field umpire should not even be making this call he should be in the c slot.This call should be made by the plate umpire.

Good question. Where was BU when he called it fair?

Sorry, missed the runners on portion. The BU has no say in this discussion at all.

Rob,

Just curious. Where was the base umpire positioned when he signaled the fair ball? I know where he belonged (C position) but I was wondering if that's where he was.

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Coach comes out to question the call. Umpire says it is a fair ball because the first baseman had one foot in fair territory when he touched the ball.

Nothing suprizes me anymore......there are some guys out there who should not be doing the job.....like MST says, protest...protest...protest....

For those of us like MST and I, who teach other umpires, this is truely disheartening.

The bottom line is to get the play right. the explanation by the home plate umpire is one that isclearly not right. even if there were runners on and the base ump was in another position other than behind first as a coach I still would ask for help not in what the base ump saw but just the rule explanation.

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protest...protest...protest

Only problem is in high school (at least in KY but willing to bet other states are like this) there cannot be any type of protest. If an ump blows a call like this then you just have to take it.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Sorry, missed the runners on portion. The BU has no say in this discussion at all.

Perhaps, this late in the season, it was three-man mechanics. With R1 there would be an umpire in "A".

Sorry was out all day. There were two umps. I don't recall which position the base ump was in, but the call was made by the plate ump.

If the game is protested, how is it resolved? The two runs that scored were the go ahead runs, and then three more scored in that inning after the blown call.

Would the whole game be played over? The loss took our team out of first place in our league, but just having that play back, it would still have been an 0-2 count with two out.

According to what I've read on another forum, Oregon does not allow protests in high school ball. So in terms of changing the result of the game, nothing can be done. I do think that the coach of either team should inform the umpire association of the error-- it is egregious.

If protests were allowed, and one was properly lodged, and the protest committee heard the same facts that you presented here, then the protest would be upheld, and the game would be resumed with the exact situation as it existed at the point of the error. In this case, since the ball was actually foul, the runners would return, the batter goes back to the box, still 0-2, and the at bat resumes as if a few days hadn't elapsed. Substitutes are allowed, and frequently are necessary for the pitcher.

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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
Sorry was out all day. There were two umps. I don't recall which position the base ump was in, but the call was made by the plate ump.

If the game is protested, how is it resolved? The two runs that scored were the go ahead runs, and then three more scored in that inning after the blown call.

Would the whole game be played over? The loss took our team out of first place in our league, but just having that play back, it would still have been an 0-2 count with two out.

There is a poster at another site, who states he is in charge of training for the Portland Assocation. If you could provide the date and names of the teams we might be able to get the umpire's side of this story.

Not allowing protests seems rather odd. In my experince you could not protest a judgement call but an interpretation of a rule. Now if I am a coach and the explanation of the foul fair call by the umpire is what was described before it seems to be a misinterpretation of the rule. Protest