Any idea what the average % scholarship should be for a corner player going to a Tier 1 D1 school?
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It all depends on how you hit.
Generally, those considered the very best hitters would get more, but the minimum 25% or slightly more would be closer to the average at those positions. The big money starts with pitching, followed by midddle infielders, catchers and center fielders. (Not necessarily in that order) Sometimes the players ending up at those positions was first recruited at another position. Sometimes a college will field three outfielders who all played centerfield in high school. Sometimes the entire infield were shortstops when they were recruited. Usually the exceptions are the most outstanding hitters.
Exactly!
A lot of times your college 3B or 1B is a converted MIF, corner OF or C with a big stick.
At 1B, you might even see a former P with an arm injury who can hit, especially if he is a lefty!
Exceptions, as mentioned, are a good 3B who can rake, or a Lefty 1B with power.
A lot of times your college 3B or 1B is a converted MIF, corner OF or C with a big stick.
At 1B, you might even see a former P with an arm injury who can hit, especially if he is a lefty!
Exceptions, as mentioned, are a good 3B who can rake, or a Lefty 1B with power.
I'd be curious to see if those with experience see the world the way I do. Unless a prospect is an up the middle player (p,c,ss,cf) who stands out as the best player on the field against quality competition, chances are the ride will be 25%. Please note I'm making a short statement and not describing all the exceptions.
RJM:
I think it depends on two things:
1. The program.
2. How you hit.
But lower is almost always more accurate. What is most important is the opportunity rather than the money.
I think in-state and out-of-state also comes into play along with family finances. In the end, what is most relevant is the money the school has available and the individual situation of the player (including talent level). I also don't think there are hard and fast rules. The situation can be very different from player to player. The more versatility for the player, the greater the opportunity, but not always.
I think it depends on two things:
1. The program.
2. How you hit.
But lower is almost always more accurate. What is most important is the opportunity rather than the money.
I think in-state and out-of-state also comes into play along with family finances. In the end, what is most relevant is the money the school has available and the individual situation of the player (including talent level). I also don't think there are hard and fast rules. The situation can be very different from player to player. The more versatility for the player, the greater the opportunity, but not always.
Ok, let me clarify my question.
Good hitter with above average power, can play 1st or corner OF position with "rocket for arm" - coaches words. Runs well for 6'3" and very athletic.
Just trying to get a feel for average % and I do understand there are many variables. Also talking about top 3 conference school when dealing with %.
Thanks
Good hitter with above average power, can play 1st or corner OF position with "rocket for arm" - coaches words. Runs well for 6'3" and very athletic.
Just trying to get a feel for average % and I do understand there are many variables. Also talking about top 3 conference school when dealing with %.
Thanks
Again, it depends on the school (and its situation) and how well he hits, especially in comparison with the other players being recruited by the school.
But by and large, the 25 percent figure will be more accurate than the higher numbers (but, again, not always).
The stronger the program, the less the money (but not always). 40 percent also can be a common figure because that frequently is the percentage attached (at many schools) to tuition and fees.
Remember that 25 percent is a good number as there is nothing anymore between 0 and 25 percent.
But by and large, the 25 percent figure will be more accurate than the higher numbers (but, again, not always).
The stronger the program, the less the money (but not always). 40 percent also can be a common figure because that frequently is the percentage attached (at many schools) to tuition and fees.
Remember that 25 percent is a good number as there is nothing anymore between 0 and 25 percent.
I have felt for the last few years that the value of a position player is usually related to his ability to hit the ball, not the position he plays. So perhaps the question should be what is the average $$ a kid with my son's bat gets?
nhmonty,
If a top 3 conference school is recruiting a player, I would think there would be more than one school recruiting that player.
Typically any player that would be over the 25% would have offers from several schools. Then the recruiters from the various schools will answer your question accurately with the offers they make.
If only one school is recruiting a player... I would say to expect no bigger offer than 25%. Leverage is a good thing.
Also, the amount depends on the need for a specific player and the recruiting money available at any given college.
The average % means very little. What counts is how much they want you and how many of the others want you.
If a top 3 conference school is recruiting a player, I would think there would be more than one school recruiting that player.
Typically any player that would be over the 25% would have offers from several schools. Then the recruiters from the various schools will answer your question accurately with the offers they make.
If only one school is recruiting a player... I would say to expect no bigger offer than 25%. Leverage is a good thing.
Also, the amount depends on the need for a specific player and the recruiting money available at any given college.
The average % means very little. What counts is how much they want you and how many of the others want you.
Just to up date you guys, nhmonty is from my area, and his son got a full ride to Maryland.
fivehole,
I am not sure where you got the info but its not accurate. My son is going to Maryland and he received a substantial baseball scholarship but he did not get a full ride.
He was offered full tuition at one D1 school (37K per year), everything but books at another D1 school and a full ride to D2 school to play baseball and football. He received additional calls to make offers but he had made his commitment to Maryland.
Although the Maryland offer was less than others he received he took the Maryland offer because of the new coach, the conference, the school's new commitment to the baseball program, a chance to part of a turn-around story but most importantly he loved the school and it matched his academic goals.
The reason I started this thread was to measure up where his offer stood so I could give him the information to help with "his" decision. I can tell you what he received was above some of the % mentioned in the thread.
Go New Hampshire!
I am not sure where you got the info but its not accurate. My son is going to Maryland and he received a substantial baseball scholarship but he did not get a full ride.
He was offered full tuition at one D1 school (37K per year), everything but books at another D1 school and a full ride to D2 school to play baseball and football. He received additional calls to make offers but he had made his commitment to Maryland.
Although the Maryland offer was less than others he received he took the Maryland offer because of the new coach, the conference, the school's new commitment to the baseball program, a chance to part of a turn-around story but most importantly he loved the school and it matched his academic goals.
The reason I started this thread was to measure up where his offer stood so I could give him the information to help with "his" decision. I can tell you what he received was above some of the % mentioned in the thread.
Go New Hampshire!
The old full ride story. Even getting full tuition is amazing.
I know top pitchers who only got 60-70%.
Does anyone tell the truth about what they got ? No they don't and coaches get really upset if players talk about their scholarship.
FELL RIDE = BB scholarship that covers all cost of attending a college.
I know top pitchers who only got 60-70%.
Does anyone tell the truth about what they got ? No they don't and coaches get really upset if players talk about their scholarship.
FELL RIDE = BB scholarship that covers all cost of attending a college.
Was it all baseball money? Was part of it accademic?
quote:Originally posted by nhmonty:
fivehole,
I am not sure where you got the info but its not accurate. My son is going to Maryland and he received a substantial baseball scholarship but he did not get a full ride.
He was offered full tuition at one D1 school (37K per year), everything but books at another D1 school and a full ride to D2 school to play baseball and football. He received additional calls to make offers but he had made his commitment to Maryland.
Although the Maryland offer was less than others he received he took the Maryland offer because of the new coach, the conference, the school's new commitment to the baseball program, a chance to part of a turn-around story but most importantly he loved the school and it matched his academic goals.
The reason I started this thread was to measure up where his offer stood so I could give him the information to help with "his" decision. I can tell you what he received was above some of the % mentioned in the thread.
Go New Hampshire!
His money was all baseball and again it was not a full ride. The other D1 schools he received offers from I would would consider Tier II D1 schools, not major conference schools.
Not sure what Bobblehead was refering to about the old full ride story. If he wants to PM me I would be glad to tell him the schools and their offers in more details because its a mute point as he chose Maryland for less money.
Not sure what Bobblehead was refering to about the old full ride story. If he wants to PM me I would be glad to tell him the schools and their offers in more details because its a mute point as he chose Maryland for less money.
Like i mentioned in another thread, most coaches will just tell you to answer "Full ride" to the "How much did you get?' question. Its quick, avoids players and parents comparing their aid and just makes sense.
How many "Full Rides" are really out there, I would guess 6'3"+ lefties and 94+mph righties, and thats about it.
There usually are just to many needs on a team to lock up 1/11.7 of all money on 1 player.
I do know of situations where there was a large amount offered to a freshman , banking on the fact that that student would receive major financial aid in future years, thus making those baseball funds available the next year. Remember, an athletic grant/scholarship offer is only good for 1year
How many "Full Rides" are really out there, I would guess 6'3"+ lefties and 94+mph righties, and thats about it.
There usually are just to many needs on a team to lock up 1/11.7 of all money on 1 player.
I do know of situations where there was a large amount offered to a freshman , banking on the fact that that student would receive major financial aid in future years, thus making those baseball funds available the next year. Remember, an athletic grant/scholarship offer is only good for 1year
I laugh when I hear "Full Rude"
I was listening to a Toronto sports show a few weeks ago. Heard a LHP I know very well. Big strong kid. Very impressive in the bull pen.
Announcer said it must be nice to get your education paid for and he said yes. He also went on to say what a great season he had. Since I was incredulous over his comments as I have seen him for at least 4 years and he never got past the 1st inning.
I looked up his stats and he pitched 1 inning over hid SR year and it was a disaster from year 1. The most innings he pitched over 4 years was 4 innings.
BB doesn't give out full rides and that includes high draft picks. They use up every source they can before they dip into the BB money.
Players are told not to discuss their scholarship package.
I was listening to a Toronto sports show a few weeks ago. Heard a LHP I know very well. Big strong kid. Very impressive in the bull pen.
Announcer said it must be nice to get your education paid for and he said yes. He also went on to say what a great season he had. Since I was incredulous over his comments as I have seen him for at least 4 years and he never got past the 1st inning.
I looked up his stats and he pitched 1 inning over hid SR year and it was a disaster from year 1. The most innings he pitched over 4 years was 4 innings.
BB doesn't give out full rides and that includes high draft picks. They use up every source they can before they dip into the BB money.
Players are told not to discuss their scholarship package.
To all,
I heard the info on nhmonty's son third, fourth, hand, I never spoke with him to get the correct information. I apologize to nhmonty and to all about putting out something that wasn't correct.
I heard the info on nhmonty's son third, fourth, hand, I never spoke with him to get the correct information. I apologize to nhmonty and to all about putting out something that wasn't correct.