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i have a serious problem....i want to play baseball at the next level in college, but my highschool doesnt allow me to. I play for an unknown school(baseball wise) in washington d.c. My coach(Anihiem Angels Mid-West Scout) said "in order for you to get a schlorship to play for a baseball powerhouse, you MUST play on an good or excellent HS baseball team and be one of the stars on it". m trying to apply to other schools now, but what if i dont get into another school. Are there ANY other options or is that the end of my dreams of playing college/professional baseball??? PLEASE HELP!!!!
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This is your lucky day. Your high school team has nothing to do with whether or not you get recruited.
No need to transfer.

Recruiting equals two basic things - talent plus exposure and your high school is not part of that equation. Missing either component means your dreams of playing at the next level will end. Here is a link for you that contains dozens and dozens of other links/articles including the recruiting timeline. Spend the next week or so and read all the links/articles and then come back with more questions if you have them.

http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/recruiting_tips.htm
Welcome to HSBW -- you have definately found the right place. My son plays on a below average high school team (they finished above .500 his junior year for the first time in 8 years -- his sophomore year they had 5 wins). He was recruited completely based on what he did in the summer following his junior year, both with his summer team and through a couple of select showcases and tryouts. As long as you have the talent, there is hope! Follow CD's advise and come back with any additional questions.
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Originally posted by socalhscoach:
If your good enough they will find you. You do not need to transfer or let someone talk you into transferring. Make sure you play on team in the summer that is either high profile or that competes against the high profile teams. Also mix in some showcases.

socalhscoach - beg to differ here slightly but not arguing with your advice. Maybe they will find you in Southern California where there are more scouts per capita than any other place in the nation. Here in Cleveland for example, they will certainly not find you without further efforts on the player's part. If you want to play in a warm weather location, it is almost guaranted they will not find you.

For the young man in question here and others - even in California, I would not recommend waiting for the phone to ring. Be proactive and make this happen and don't rely on others to do it for you. I agree with the coach that a travel team that plays in tournaments that are scouted is one way for exposure. That assumes someone is watching that day and the player plays well enough to turn their heads when/if they are watching.

The guaranteed way for exposure is via showcases or college camps. Talent is up to the individual. For the young man here, start working on your five tools and take it very seriously before you begin showcasing. Work on your speed, arm strength, fielding, pitching, and hitting depending on what applies. Summer between junior and senior year is a key showcase year but there are benefits to showcasingt earlier. Mainly, it lets you know where you need improvement and it might lead to some early recruiting.
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"If your good enough they will find you." That is very true. As long as you dont mind who finds you.

Options. Its all about creating more options for yourself. There are many very rurual areas where a baseball player capable of playing at a high level can fly under the radar if they only play hs baseball and nothing else. But no one is going to care where you play hs baseball if you get out in front of the right people you will be noticed if you can play.

Getting out in front of college coaches will not be the decideing factor. Being talented enough to be noticed by the coaches when you do get out in front of them will be. If you can not stand out in a hs game you will not stand out at a showcase. Arm strength , speed , fielding ability , ability to hit , power - something has to stand out in your game above the rest of the players. And the more things that stand out the better chance you will be noticed.

Good luck.
If you're good enough they will find you. More untrue words were never spoken. If you are more than good enough they'll find you. If you are just good enough you'd better get out there and show what you can do or get better than "good enough". Schools can choose between players who are "good enough" and they don't spend a lot of time chasing after them. Players who are MORE than good enough get to choose their schools.
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It doesn't make sense to use those two sentences in the same post. "If you're good enough they will find you" is a contradiction to "Get on teams that are seen". Either you sit back and wait for someone to hear how great you are and come see you play or get out there and make sure your talent is seen. You may have meant that if you get on a high profile team, your talent will be noticed and you will be seen.

Too many players have been burned by not managing their opportunities to be seen and that is what we are reacting to. We don't want the message to live on that all you have to do is play well and you will be sought out and recruited.
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Originally posted by sandlotmom:
It doesn't make sense to use those two sentences in the same post. "If you're good enough they will find you" is a contradiction to "Get on teams that are seen".


Thanks mom but it makes perfect sense if you had not taken it our of context. See below

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If your good enough they will find you. You do not need to transfer or let someone talk you into transferring.


I never said to do nothing. My first two sentences were in the context of not transferring schools. To many time parents, who do not know what they thingk they now, get pressure from coaches of other schools to transfer their kids. I had a player illegally recruited by another high school and they actually told the kid, at this time an 8th grader, they already had a full ride to USC lined up for him. They only thing I implied with those 1st two sentences was they did not need to transfer high schools. If you are going to quote me in your thread please don't misquote me next time, use the whole thing.
I didn't mean to misquote you. The words "If you are good they will find you" for years has been associated with just playing on your high school team and trusting that you will be found. Difficult to still see it in print I guess(regardless of the context).

RJM - ITA. I guess it's assumed that he won't make a showcase team (through tryouts?) if he isn't ready. How does one just "go to PG events"? Don't you have to be invited (and therefore talent noticed)?
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sandlotmom,
There's some screening done but most of the PG showcases are open for those who apply. There are a few that are purely by invite such as the PG National and those require pretty high levels of performance either at a PG Showcase or elsewhere to get an invite.

JMO, but one of the best reasons to attend a PG Showcase is to potentially get invited to participate on a PG team or another team in a WWBA event. The big WWBA events are where colleges seem to most actively recruit.
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Back to the original post:

No, you do not need high school baseball in order to succeed and play at the next level. Work hard on the field, in the gym, (most importantly) in the classroom. Get yourself onto a team or an environment where there are scouts and coaches readily available and there to see you. Then once you are there, go out and enjoy yourself playing the game.

I played four years of varsity baseball and to this day see no benefit in the seasons I spent on the diamond with my coach. He hurt me more than he helped me and the happiest day of my high school baseball career was the day we lost my final game senior year because I knew I was finally moving on and getting away him. I don't ever intend to speak to my coach ever again for the rest of my life. Yet still, I put myself into several positions through the summer and fall while I was in high school where I would get exposure. I networked to the right people and performed well at the right times, and moved on to the collegiate level.

Things will happen if you want them to. The statement "if you're good enough they will find you" is only true to a certain extent. Sure, they will find you, but you need to enable yourself to be found initially. Once the word is out on your talent, then continue to perform at that level and you will find yourself in the driver's seat of your own destiny.

Good luck
JH great post! College coaches and those experienced in the recruiting process already understand that you can't just play well on your high school team and you will be found. Many parents don't understand that and a young player with little knowledge of how the recruiting process works needs exactly the kind of advice you've given. Bravo.
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There are many ways it can happen for a player. Some go to a college camp and that does it. Some are actually seen playing in a hs game. Some are seen at a showcase or a showcase tourney. Some are seen at a legion game etc etc. But there is no doubt that playing on a summer / fall team that gets you out in front of college coaches from all levels will give you the most opportunities if you can play.

My son was recruited by his college program based on camps and later they attended a couple of hs games. He had other opportunities based on performances at WWBA events and with his showcase team in tourneys. I know kids that went to a college camp and were offered based on their performance at the schools camp. To me its all about creating as many options for the player as possible. I understand that some can not afford to everything others can do. But there are plenty of opportunities out there for everyone.
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Originally posted by Coach_May:
There are many ways it can happen for a player. Some go to a college camp and that does it. Some are actually seen playing in a hs game. Some are seen at a showcase or a showcase tourney. Some are seen at a legion game etc etc. But there is no doubt that playing on a summer / fall team that gets you out in front of college coaches from all levels will give you the most opportunities if you can play.

My son was recruited by his college program based on camps and later they attended a couple of hs games. He had other opportunities based on performances at WWBA events and with his showcase team in tourneys. I know kids that went to a college camp and were offered based on their performance at the schools camp. To me its all about creating as many options for the player as possible. I understand that some can not afford to everything others can do. But there are plenty of opportunities out there for everyone.

Excellent post! Here is a very long story...

My son was lucky - very lucky. We didn't know anything about recruiting or showcasing. Everything I know now about showcasing has been learned from the hsbbweb and my membership here did not occur until after he had signed his NLI.

Due to our ingnorance, we believed that college recruiting was mainly limited to how well one did during their high school baseball season and perhaps some serendipitous summertime exposure. I mean, that is how football players are recrutied - right? I have since learned they have football camps and showcases as well.

Why was my son lucky? It started by playing on a high school team that almost won two state championships. He started getting noticed as his team went deeper in the state playoffs. In essence, some of his exposure/luck was because of his teammates. What if his team was not that good? I guarantee none of the coaches who contacted would have known about him. I should add most of the contact was indirect. Coaches asking his high school coach about him.

In the summer between junior and senior year, he participated in the CABA highschool world series tournament here in Cleveland that is decently scouted. He was lucky that he played decently during the tournament and that his team played decently enough to advance in the tournament where more of the heavy scouting occured. After one of the games, a coach from a southern D1 school approached his high school coach and inquired about the shortstop. His comments were the kid can play but he appears too small to play D1 baseball. If we would have left it at that, it would have been the end of it. I went home and looked them up because I had never heard of them before. I could not believe how good they were and would even take the time to ask the coach about him. I sent him to their college camp in August and frankly, things did not go all that well. They said he was not fast enough, throw hard enough, nor was he big enough to warrant further recruiting. The throw hard enough comment shocked us because his whole life he had been told he had great arm strength. At this first camp, he was clocked at 76 mph from short, ran a 7.3 60 yard dash, and weighed 147 lbs at 5'9". He had just turned 17 in July.

Maybe people can tell from some of my other posts, but I am not big on people feeling sorry for themselves and I refused to let my son feel that way. He was a little down and I told him point blank, "You can either feel sorry for yourself or do something about it." He seemed challenged by that and jazzed up frankly. We devised a plan that we would enroll him in a speed and strength program, get on a rigorous healthy diet, long toss, and take thousands of swings in the batting cages. He did all these and more. He was consumed with the "idea" of improvement. He got his weight from 147 up to 165.

We sent him down to a second showcase camp at the same school in South Carolina. This was about 10 days before the early signing period was to begin in late October. First day was mostly running, radar gunning, and individual drills ending with batting practice before all the college and pro scouts. My son recorded a 6.86 60 time which was almost 1/2 second faster than his 60 time in August. He clocked at 86 mph across the diamond from shorstop which was 10 mph faster. He learned a few things from his first unsuccessful showcase. He learned to let the ball rip from shorstop rather than worrying about accuracy of his throw. He learned running techniques in his speed program that no doubt helped. His added strength no doubt helped his running as well. Until the first camp, neither of us had ever heard of 60 times or radar guns on position players before. We both thought recruting was based soley off your performance in high school games. We indeed were ignorant.

The next day, the camp featured actual games between camp particpants. I believe they had five games scheduled with 10 teams of participants. I believe luck entered here again. On one of the innings, my son rotated to third so another kid could get his looks at shorstop. During that inning, my son made numerous (four or five) full extension dive plays on rocket shots hit down the third base line or in between thrid and short. They had to give the other team extra outs that inning so everyone could get their at bats. After the inning, he got a standing ovation from everyone in attendance including the scouts. He played like Brooks Robinson that day and lucky it was the best he had ever played for sure but he was also lucky that someone hit some balls his way. He was given the opportunity to turn heads. He was 1-2 at the plate and immediately stole second and third when he got on. In short, it was impossible not to notice him. We left the camp without speaking to any of the coaches.

When we got home, he wanted to contact them and see what they thought. I was tempted but I thought he had already done enough. I told him "If they will not recruit you after all you did, then you do not want to play for them!" About five days later, the head coach called and it changed his life. The offer was tiny and he was disappointed by that and so was I. I thought about it for a day and asked him if that is where he wanted to play and he said yes. I told him I would worry about the money and it was up to him to worry about his academics and finding a way on to the playing field. He lived up to his end of things and for us it turned out to be the best of times.

My message to kids is a simple one - do not leave things up to luck or chance. I know in my heart that they may not find you if you do.

Here is an article that ran on him from this past summer that does a pretty good job of describing the journey and the hard work/dedication. Hope people can find some benefit from reading his story:

Never Give Up
CD- That was one of the best and most informational posts I've ever seen on HSBBWeb. Personal accounts from people with experience IMO help more than just throwing words of advice out there. Tyler's journey is a great story as well, and certainly paints a great picture about what is involved in recruiting.

For those of you who are reading this looking for advice, take CD's words with great care. You can't JUST show up and perform at the right place at the right time. The article and CD both just hint at the work and dedication Tyler went through over the years. It takes an enormous amount of time and dedication to continually improve all facets of the game. I can't stress enough the importance of working hard to better yourself (both physically and mentally). By preparing yourself off the field, it makes the on field performances that much easier. I'm sure CD and those many other who have sons playing at the next level can attest to this as well.
My nephew missed his entire Junior season with a torn ACL (torn during the last game of fall baseball).

He worked hard all winter and spring in rehab, got picked up by a decent summer ball team and played for two weeks in East Cobb.

It was during that time that he was seen by 5 schools one of which he was very interested in as well as they in him. He ended up signing with them during early signing period this past Nov. and has yet to play for his High School team.

BTW, his High School coach wouldn't help any of the kids get into school anyway. It's all about travel and summer ball these days.

Good Luck
Thanks so much for the kind comments. I hope youngsters out there can benefit.

I think sometimes people are upset or hurt when their phone does not ring on July 1st. For us, we did not even know there was any signifcance to July 1st and that was a blessing. Sometimes, knowledge of certain things is a disadvantage.

I believe the recruiting game can be run backwards to a certain extent. There is nothing preventing a player from proactively recruiting those schools that may be of interest to them. In hindsight, I can see the value of showcases where dozens and dozens of scouts are guaranteed to be in attendance. I can also see the value in doing several of them if possible to help kids get over being nervous and training them as to what is important to scouts and college recruiters. They also will be trained at how good their competition will be which may be the most important lesson of all.

The cool thing for us is that things turned out perfectly regardless of our misunderstanding of the process. If we had things to do over again, there is only one school that we would be interested in and luckily that was the school that he ended up with. Some things are just meant to be.
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Bravo!

Simply an outstanding true Case Study CD...Thank You for sharing. IMO, not nearly enough of this kind of stuff on the HSBBW. IMO, too often it's glowing praise for parents sake and not enough reality.

While I like the referenced article, I like your story much better. This is an honest story including the warts, mistakes, the false assumptions, we have all made...and also the continuing adaptions and hard won solutions give us the real STORY of what happens during the recuiting process and beyond. This is a great tibute to your son, but also a great source of useful information and inspiration for those who follow.

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CD,
If you went back, would you stay around and talk to coaches before leaving the showcase, in hopes of producing more interest, or do you feel your son ended up with the most interest he was going to get after that event?

Would having the coach of the team he wanted to play for see him talking to other coaches have potentially increased the offer?

Just curious of your thoughts looking back now.
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CD,
If you went back, would you stay around and talk to coaches before leaving the showcase, in hopes of producing more interest, or do you feel your son ended up with the most interest he was going to get after that event?

Would having the coach of the team he wanted to play for see him talking to other coaches have potentially increased the offer?

Just curious of your thoughts looking back now.

Great questions EC_Dad. I wish we would have stayed and communicated with the coaches. I don't think it would have changed the nature of the offer however but my recommendation would be to try and discuss things with them on-site if possible. It obviously was not critical in our case however.

He had other offers from the camp we attended but we told them we were holding off for the ones who hosted the camp. Regarding the actual offer, they said they were not recruiting infielders that year but made a token offer to my son in hopes he would accept with the limited funds they had remaining. They promised to rasise it in the subsequent years of course with the caveat that he was a producer. They were indeed honorable and increased his scholarship each succeeding year as his production increased. Obviously we accepted lots of risk in this case but felt it was worth it for the opportunity that was presented. It is not easy to get recruited at a southern D1 school when you are 750 miles away and from the north.

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