Right hander on the rubber has a open stance as he is getting the sign. Shoulders/ left foot facing first base. before coming set throws over to first base and never disengages the rubber. thanks in advance for your time.
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A pitcher does not need to disengage the rubber to throw to an occupied base. He must step toward that base when throwing. It is hard to tell how open his stance is without seeing it. Depending on how "open" he is, it could be illegal. His entire non-pivot foot must be in front of a line extending through the front edge of the pitcher's plate (Fed 6-1-3)
Open or closed, a pitcher may step to any base without disengaging. There are restrictions depending on the base but disengaging is not required at any base or either handedness.
Now directly to your question. With a right hand pitcher, he may even come set and still step to first, but he can't start his motion toward the plate. This means he has to swing and step directly to first, which is very hard to do without balking.
Now directly to your question. With a right hand pitcher, he may even come set and still step to first, but he can't start his motion toward the plate. This means he has to swing and step directly to first, which is very hard to do without balking.
Regardless if he is open or closed, he still has to step toward the base he is throwing to. This isn't in the description so I am guessing he didn't step. He has to show distance and direction toward 1B.
quote:before coming set
Seems to be the key. Kid isn't set. Anything goes.
Not true. He can still balk before coming set.quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:quote:before coming set
Seems to be the key. Kid isn't set. Anything goes.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_Dave:
Right hander on the rubber has a open stance as he is getting the sign. Shoulders/ left foot facing first base. before coming set throws over to first base and never disengages the rubber. thanks in advance for your time.
As others have pointed out, he does not have to disengage. He does, however, need to gain distance and direction toward the bag. Your post doesn't indicate if he stepped or not.
quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:quote:before coming set
Seems to be the key. Kid isn't set. Anything goes.
Uh.....no.
To the umpires,
I am trying to imagine a RHP throwing to first without disengaging. Has anyone seen this performed successfully? I just keep seeing first movement toward HP in my mind's eye. Is there any video?
I am trying to imagine a RHP throwing to first without disengaging. Has anyone seen this performed successfully? I just keep seeing first movement toward HP in my mind's eye. Is there any video?
Every pitcher I ever trained could pick to first without disengaging from either wind-up or stretch. Trust me, you will pick them all day with it because most expert instructors have no clue it is legal. I have seen guys that range from A ball pitchers to a guy with a WS ring question it. I show them 8.01 a and b and they agree I am correct.
Michael, I used to teach it too. Problem is most umpires don't know that it is legal. In Georgia, it was never called. But you couldn't hardly pull a jump move there without it being called a balk. Now in Tennessee, you have to step off and you can modify the balk move any way you want.
quote:Originally posted by Jeff Connell:
Michael, I used to teach it too. Problem is most umpires don't know that it is legal. In Georgia, it was never called. But you couldn't hardly pull a jump move there without it being called a balk. Now in Tennessee, you have to step off and you can modify the balk move any way you want.
Then, you weren't in my area of Georgia or I never saw your games.
quote:Originally posted by Jeff Connell:
Michael, I used to teach it too. Problem is most umpires don't know that it is legal. In Georgia, it was never called. But you couldn't hardly pull a jump move there without it being called a balk. Now in Tennessee, you have to step off and you can modify the balk move any way you want.
As an umpire trainer I ask, please, please, please protest when **** like that is done. Protest, back it up with 8.01a and 8.01b. If you lose, refer them here or to Umpire-Empire.com. Either place will teach any umpire, coach or league administrator the proper rules. It does no one any good for coaches to not teach proper techniques to players because umpires won't call it correctly.
quote:Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Every pitcher I ever trained could pick to first without disengaging from either wind-up or stretch.
You cannot pick from the windup position under FED rules. Balk.
True but I thought we were talking summer ball. Either way you can from the set without disengaging.
quote:Originally posted by Gold Glove:
To the umpires,
I am trying to imagine a RHP throwing to first without disengaging. Has anyone seen this performed successfully? I just keep seeing first movement toward HP in my mind's eye. Is there any video?
1. Read the rule. It does not differentiate between left and right handed pitchers.
2. A smooth, low, continuous sweep of the left foot towards first that does not involve the knee coming up is the best description I can give you.
quote:Originally posted by Gold Glove:
To the umpires,
I am trying to imagine a RHP throwing to first without disengaging. Has anyone seen this performed successfully? I just keep seeing first movement toward HP in my mind's eye. Is there any video?
Yes, in fact, I saw it for the first time in 19 years of umpiring this past Thursday night. He did and I didn't even think about it being a balk. I was surprised no one was yelling for a balk but it was silent. I guess none of them saw what he did or realized what he did. He didn't get the runner though.