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I had a very mild disagreement with my partner last season, and since I'll be working with him again, as well as breaking in the newbies, I just want to be positive...

Yes or No: The pitcher must step-off the rubber before throwing to an occupied base in an attempt to pickoff a runner. My answer was no, he can throw to an occupied base while in contact with the rubber, but he must step toward that base. If he steps off first, he does not have to step toward the base with throw, but as such he becomes a regular infielder. Thus, if the ball ends up on the next field, I have to decide if he was actually on off the rubber before awarding bases.

Next, this paragraph is a copy/paste from the Steven Ellis site, but it seems "backwards"...

"If you step back off the rubber with your pivot foot and then make a bad throw to first (or any other base), and it goes out of bounds, all runners are entitled to one base on the bad throw. If you throw to first while your pivot foot is on the rubber, and the ball goes out of bounds, the runners get two bases." (http://www.stevenellis.com/steven_ellis_the_complete/baseball_rules/index.html about halfway down, but he is talking about pros...)

I learned that an overthrow out-of-play by the pitcher when not in contact with the rubber is the same any infielder making an overthrow... 1+1 (2 bases), but if in contact with the rubber, the overthrow penalty is just one base. I don't like being confused!

Lastly, since the pitcher has to almost completely turn around to make a good throw... if he "breaks contact" with the rubber, but after turning makes the throw with his foot on top of it (followed by the overthrow), what's the call?

I appreciate the assist. Rolling through these postings makes things clearer and faster when it starts happpening at light speed right in front of you.
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Next, this paragraph is a copy/paste from the Steven Ellis site, but it seems "backwards"...

"If you step back off the rubber with your pivot foot and then make a bad throw to first (or any other base), and it goes out of bounds, all runners are entitled to one base on the bad throw. If you throw to first while your pivot foot is on the rubber, and the ball goes out of bounds, the runners get two bases." (http://www.stevenellis.com/steven_ellis_the_complete/baseball_rules/index.html about halfway down, but he is talking about pros...)

I learned that an overthrow out-of-play by the pitcher when not in contact with the rubber is the same any infielder making an overthrow... 1+1 (2 bases), but if in contact with the rubber, the overthrow penalty is just one base. I don't like being confused!


Lastly, since the pitcher has to almost completely turn around to make a good throw... if he "breaks contact" with the rubber, but after turning makes the throw with his foot on top of it (followed by the overthrow), what's the call?

I appreciate the assist. Rolling through these postings makes things clearer and faster when it starts happpening at light speed right in front of you.


You are not confused as you learned it. Your partner now, and who ever wrote the above is slightly askew but really only 180'.

One base if from the rubber.

Your second question; if pitcher attempts a PO from the wind up, his foot may very well come off the rubber, he's still considered throwing from the rubber.
If his foot stays on the rubber that's okay too, he's met the step part, good enough.

Two bases, if he steps off first, like you said, he's a fielder now..

No throwing from the wind-up position in HS ball, gotta step off first.
Snaredrum:
One thing to remember when awarding bases. There is no such thing as 1+1. It is two bases or one base depending if in contact or not. When it is two bases, it is exactly that. The 1+1 thing is a coach's statement and should never be uttered by an umpire. It is good you are interested in learning the proper calls and trying to be better. This isn't a slam, just another piece of the puzzle toward making you better.
No problem, Michael. I will usually just point to the runner and either tell him "you're on third" (or wherever) or just wave and/or point in some combo. The 1+1 is just a silent brain thing I started doing when I had to switch from hoops to diamonds.

And yes. I want to get better. I've always prided myself on knowing the rules, but sometimes, when the mythical rules start flying around... Looking forward to more puzzles!

(We should have a "Best of Rule Myths" or "Rule or not a Rule?" string one night! See who gets stumped...Smile

Roger
Springfield
Ive always said that this site would have been a wonderful thing to have had when MST and I were rookies....if you want to use it as a learning tool.....just go back a few pages.....pick a topic.....read the question, then make your ruling.......then read the responses to see how you did........

Over the years we have covered just about every topic.......not that we all cant be stumped from one time or another.......
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