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Follow this one closely, cause it's goofy as hell.

12u under NFHS rules. This field has a chainlink fence that seperates the bench/dugout from the field. The only way in/out of dugout is an opening at the far end of each dugout. That opening has a hinged gate, also made of chain link, but there's a sizable gap at the bottom...4-6 inches. At pre-game, I specifically asked both coaches to keep that gate closed when the ball was in play; both acknowledged this instruction.

R1 is on 2nd with 1 out. B2 hits blooper into shallow right-center, looks as if it might by caught by F9...R2 freezes just off 2nd. F9 gets the ball on the short-hop, and R1 breaks for 3rd. F9 makes strong throw to 3rd, but it hits R1 on the ankle, bouncing (you guessed it) directly towards that afore-mentioned gate...which is closed, BUT

Just before ball gets there, the 'in-the-hole' hitter (call him B4) opens the gate, and the ball goes out of play.

Here's some other info, that may or may not effect your decision:

B/R2 (who was very fast, and hustled right out of the box) was well past first before F9's throw.

R1 is rolling around, crying in pain, at 3rd base.

F1 was right there backing up the throw, just a step or two from the gate.

I can't even begin to judge if B4 opened the gate to intentionally allow the ball to pass, or if he was just oblivious...but my guess would be the latter.

All opinions are welcome...I'll wait a day or two before letting you know how my partner and I ruled.
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
I'll never understand posters who write: "I'll wait a day or two before letting you know how my partner and I ruled."

What is the fear of finishing the post with what happened at the time?


I do (so, we disagree for once.)

It's a way to hear opinions without the taint (heh-heh) of knowing how those who were there ruled. There's a bias among us to read into the conclusion and assume there was something that contributed to that that wasn't stated.
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Originally posted by Matt13:
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
I'll never understand posters who write: "I'll wait a day or two before letting you know how my partner and I ruled."

What is the fear of finishing the post with what happened at the time?


I do (so, we disagree for once.)

It's a way to hear opinions without the taint (heh-heh) of knowing how those who were there ruled. There's a bias among us to read into the conclusion and assume there was something that contributed to that that wasn't stated.


I suspect that, sometimes, it's a way of finding out the correct call without having to admit an error.
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Originally posted by DECK:
Just before ball gets there, the 'in-the-hole' hitter (call him B4) opens the gate, and the ball goes out of play.



The offense opens the gate to allow the ball to go out of play. Intent on the gate opener does not matter. Nothing else in your post matters. The ball is dead when it rolled into DBT. No award of bases. Put the runner back on 2nd since that is the last base he legally had before the ball went into DBT.
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Originally posted by cyclonehokiece:
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Originally posted by lefthookdad:
I R1 was already arounf 3rd base and B1(now R2) was already around 1st when the ball went into DBT, would they not both be awarded the next base?


Award measured from time the ball was thrown (TOT) not when it enters DBT.


Even if it touches another player on the field?
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Originally posted by lefthookdad:
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Originally posted by cyclonehokiece:
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Originally posted by lefthookdad:
I R1 was already arounf 3rd base and B1(now R2) was already around 1st when the ball went into DBT, would they not both be awarded the next base?


Award measured from time the ball was thrown (TOT) not when it enters DBT.


Even if it touches another player on the field?


Did not see that in the reading of this situation, but in that situation, has to be intentional touching to force it to go out. You do not award additional bases when a ball ticks off someone's glove making a play but still goes out.
Sorry it took so long for me to get back to this...I forgot all about it.

ForestUmp was closest to the answer we arrived at.

We left R1 at 3rd, (he was physically unable to advance anyway) and B2 at 2nd (as he was nearly there, and nobody was making any play on him.

We didn't feel it was fair to penalize the defense for a situation the offense created.

Might have been right, might have been wrong. But we had no trouble selling it. Everybody thought it was fair.
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