Looks like a real donniebrook yesterday:
http://spectrum.buffalo.edu/article.php?id=27205
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Stand in the baseline when I'm trying to score (with or without the ball) you get drilled.
Deal with it and go on.
Obviously the catcher didn't learn.
Deal with it and go on.
Obviously the catcher didn't learn.
Bring it !!!! 
MLB Rule:
"The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand."
The rule is clear but rarely enforced. IMO if a runner has to alter his path to a base
because a fielder is in the way,(blocking his path) and doesn't already have the ball
in his possession then obstruction should be called. When a runner sees a fielder in his line as he is running towards a base he has to decide one of two things, either run through the fielder(not allowed in college) or try to go around the fielder by altering
his direct line to the base. If the fielder has the ball in his possession a simple swipe
tag will do the trick. There is never a reason to block any base unless the fielder is trying to impede the runner illegally. Think about it, if the fielder already has the ball the runner is out the second he is tagged.
Before all the arguments begin that the catcher has the right to block home because he is fielding the ball then the same reasoning can be used at all bases. Teach all first
basemen to stand in front of first-blocking the base until he receives the throw and then
tagging the runner. Why not? Boog Powell wouldn't let anyone by. About 6'5"-280.
"The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand."
The rule is clear but rarely enforced. IMO if a runner has to alter his path to a base
because a fielder is in the way,(blocking his path) and doesn't already have the ball
in his possession then obstruction should be called. When a runner sees a fielder in his line as he is running towards a base he has to decide one of two things, either run through the fielder(not allowed in college) or try to go around the fielder by altering
his direct line to the base. If the fielder has the ball in his possession a simple swipe
tag will do the trick. There is never a reason to block any base unless the fielder is trying to impede the runner illegally. Think about it, if the fielder already has the ball the runner is out the second he is tagged.
Before all the arguments begin that the catcher has the right to block home because he is fielding the ball then the same reasoning can be used at all bases. Teach all first
basemen to stand in front of first-blocking the base until he receives the throw and then
tagging the runner. Why not? Boog Powell wouldn't let anyone by. About 6'5"-280.
quote:Teach all first
basemen to stand in front of first-blocking the base until he receives the throw and then
tagging the runner.
I've seen that happen a time or two!
Unless the first baseman is slow-to-learn, he only gets run over once and figures out this is not such a great idea. If you're trying to field the ball with your focus on the field of play, being blind-sided by the runner is not pleasant! First basemen don't have all that equipment on that a catcher has. You're asking for an injury.
Here's a dumb question... I thought you couldn't slide into a second baseman in college to break up a double play (something about your momentum can't go past the bag and you can't leave the basepath to "take out" the player attempting a double play, rule is meant to protect the field player from injury). Don't the slide rules apply to plays at home at the college level, or is this just true in high school? We saw a HS player ejected last week for not sliding into home (bulldogging). Maybe someone knows at which levels things change for the various situations?
It was all good, until the catcher went after the runner after the play was over.
sounds like a hockey game broke out
was the runner out?
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was the runner out?
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KC-Notice my reference to Boog Powell-large human being-not many runners would be testing
their manhood against him
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As far as catchers having protection on here's just a few that might disagree with you.
Carlton Fisk,Ray Fosse, Ernie Lombardi, Johnny Estrada, Benji Molina, Buck Martinez all
injured because of collisions at home plate. And these are just a few-many,many more.
You'd think that as difficult as it is to find and develop a catcher in the Bigs that MLB
would have adopted a rule like college by now. I guess the "old school" mentality prevails over common sense.
their manhood against him
.As far as catchers having protection on here's just a few that might disagree with you.
Carlton Fisk,Ray Fosse, Ernie Lombardi, Johnny Estrada, Benji Molina, Buck Martinez all
injured because of collisions at home plate. And these are just a few-many,many more.
You'd think that as difficult as it is to find and develop a catcher in the Bigs that MLB
would have adopted a rule like college by now. I guess the "old school" mentality prevails over common sense.
Before "manliness" or anything like that is discussed, or discussions of "drilling" catchers, one might want to actually read the college rules.
There is a specific collision rule and it states that if you collide with a fielder who is clearly in possession of the ball and you a) could have avoided the collision or b) are collding in an attempt to dislodge the ball, you are OUT regardless of whether the fielder holds the ball or not.
If the fielder is not in possession of the ball, they are not permitted to block the base. In reading the article from the Buffalo paper, their description is that the catcher was clearly in possession of the ball when the runner collided with him.
There is a specific collision rule and it states that if you collide with a fielder who is clearly in possession of the ball and you a) could have avoided the collision or b) are collding in an attempt to dislodge the ball, you are OUT regardless of whether the fielder holds the ball or not.
If the fielder is not in possession of the ball, they are not permitted to block the base. In reading the article from the Buffalo paper, their description is that the catcher was clearly in possession of the ball when the runner collided with him.
Collisions with a catcher blocking the plate is REALbaseball. So is pitchers in the batting order. So is pitchers and catchers who run for themselves. So is a headfirst slide. So is throwing 4 balls on an intentional walk instead of just waving the runner to first.
Too many goobers have been reinventing baseball over the last few years.
Too many goobers have been reinventing baseball over the last few years.
Perhaps those "goobers" realize that it's a GAME. The NCAA has the responsibility for college athletics and safety of college athletes. Their responsibility isn't to turn baseball into some kind of "contest of manliness." Perhaps you would feel differently if you watched a kid go in high with metal cleats on a force play and tear a huge gash down the back of your kid's leg.
If playing the game is your job, that's one thing. If you are playing in school, that's completely different.
If playing the game is your job, that's one thing. If you are playing in school, that's completely different.
Canisius College baseball game at the University at Buffalo Tuesday afternoon was suspended in the third inning because of unsportsmanlike conduct by both teams. By mutual agreement, the game will not be continued.
“We’re very disappointed that actions during the game led to unsportsmanlike conduct by our student-athletes,” said Canisius Director of Athletics Bill Maher. “Canisius College does not condone or tolerate such behavior by our student-athletes and coaching staff. Penalties will be handed down in accordance with NCAA rules, and we will carefully review the conduct of our team to determine if additional self-imposed penalties are necessary.”
It appears there will be further punishment handed out.
“We’re very disappointed that actions during the game led to unsportsmanlike conduct by our student-athletes,” said Canisius Director of Athletics Bill Maher. “Canisius College does not condone or tolerate such behavior by our student-athletes and coaching staff. Penalties will be handed down in accordance with NCAA rules, and we will carefully review the conduct of our team to determine if additional self-imposed penalties are necessary.”
It appears there will be further punishment handed out.
quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Stand in the baseline when I'm trying to score (with or without the ball) you get drilled.
Unbelievable. That approach represents a position that lacks value in what's important.
John, you have crossed the line.
What was that phone number..815-469-4520?
If in a HS game, and in UIC's viewpoint your contact is considered flagrant, you would be ejected immediately, serve at least one game (or more) (HS Fed) suspension, and some states, could be prosecuted for assult.
If at D1, you would be ejected and subject to an automatic three-game NCAA suspension.
Clearly the Runner was at Fault.
If catcher had the ball, Runner must Slide are Avoid.
Coach for Runner's Team is Wrong, About the Catcher Blocking the Plate. Catcher clearly had The Ball.
Agree That player's are not Paid MLB player's, But Student Athlete's.
Runner knew what he was doing, should be Suspended for a couple of Game's. JMHO the EH
If catcher had the ball, Runner must Slide are Avoid.
Coach for Runner's Team is Wrong, About the Catcher Blocking the Plate. Catcher clearly had The Ball.
Agree That player's are not Paid MLB player's, But Student Athlete's.
Runner knew what he was doing, should be Suspended for a couple of Game's. JMHO the EH
Moc has it right. In NCAA D1 you can run the cather as long as you don't try to injur him by bringing elbow up. He has every right to dislodge the ball . zThe catcher has the right to block the base line if he is going for the ball or has it.
If the Umpire feels the runner tried to injur the catcher he could eject him and what ever else the rules allow. The catcher has to brace himself for the impact.
Our Elite teams played American League rules and it was always surprising how upset people got when the cathaer got laid out. We had a cather who used to plant his spikes right at the side of the plate and he was unmoveable. i can't remember how many guys hit him and bounced back about 4 feet.
If the Umpire feels the runner tried to injur the catcher he could eject him and what ever else the rules allow. The catcher has to brace himself for the impact.
Our Elite teams played American League rules and it was always surprising how upset people got when the cathaer got laid out. We had a cather who used to plant his spikes right at the side of the plate and he was unmoveable. i can't remember how many guys hit him and bounced back about 4 feet.
Bobblehead,
Moc, was talking about MLB rule's which are correct.
Not College, HS rule's? the EH
Moc, was talking about MLB rule's which are correct.
Not College, HS rule's? the EH
I have watched D1 ball and they seem to play American League. The runners coming home were allowed to run the catcher. maybe an UMP who does college ball can clarify.
HS is totally differen and is geared to the protection of the players here in Ontario. No head 1st sliding and must slide at home feet 1st.
AAA City allows head 1st but you must slide at home and avoid contact where possible .
HS is totally differen and is geared to the protection of the players here in Ontario. No head 1st sliding and must slide at home feet 1st.
AAA City allows head 1st but you must slide at home and avoid contact where possible .
Bobblehead, what I quoted in my post came directly from the NCAA rules. You are NOT allowed to run the catcher if the catcher "clearly" has the ball if you could have avoided the collision OR if you run him in order to dislodge the ball. If both are arriving at the same time, that's one thing. If the catcher clearly has the ball, you can't run him.
To be fair, the article made it sound like the catcher clearly had the ball, the player said it was a "bang-bang" play. I guess the NCAA will have to figure it out.
To be fair, the article made it sound like the catcher clearly had the ball, the player said it was a "bang-bang" play. I guess the NCAA will have to figure it out.
KCbaseball "Here's a dumb question... I thought you couldn't slide into a second baseman in college to break up a double play (something about your momentum can't go past the bag and you can't leave the basepath to "take out" the player attempting a double play, rule is meant to protect the field player from injury)."
i had that same question but this was in a JR HIGH game kids were running over our catcher and sliding through bases with spikes elevated in the air i thought it was rediculous that our coach didnt say anything to the ump i was about to tell the coach its against high school and college rules to slide through bases but hes the kind of coach thatll tell ya to sit down and be quite
i had that same question but this was in a JR HIGH game kids were running over our catcher and sliding through bases with spikes elevated in the air i thought it was rediculous that our coach didnt say anything to the ump i was about to tell the coach its against high school and college rules to slide through bases but hes the kind of coach thatll tell ya to sit down and be quite
If the catcher has the ball and is in the runner's path what does the runner do?
I have been at games where the catcher is run from 4-5 Ft and dislogged the ball and was safe.
I have been at games where the catcher is run from 4-5 Ft and dislogged the ball and was safe.
quote:Originally posted by Bear:quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Stand in the baseline when I'm trying to score (with or without the ball) you get drilled.
Unbelievable. That approach represents a position that lacks value in what's important.
John, you have crossed the line.
What was that phone number..815-469-4520?
If in a HS game, and in UIC's viewpoint your contact is considered flagrant, you would be ejected immediately, serve at least one game (or more) (HS Fed) suspension, and some states, could be prosecuted for assult.
If at D1, you would be ejected and subject to an automatic three-game NCAA suspension.
Bear - it wasnt a high school game. So the reference to high school is meaningless.
As for the D-1 ejection - "The horror - the horror." LOL
Sounds like the runner had some pent up anger - and did a number on the catcher. If I was the catcher - and I stayed conscious - I would have tried my best to punch the runner's lights out.
I saw one last year - in the NECBL - Catcher standing 3 feet outside the base path - runner comes in - and KO's him. Knocked out cold. The runner was a small kid - and a cheap shot artist.
And got away with it. Catcher went directly to the hospital.
The runner now has a bullseye on his back - make no mistake about that. Wherever he goes. It is coming.
LOL
Why doesn't the catcher fight back? If that runner's gonna take out the catcher, why doesn't the catcher take the runner out instead. Remember that catcher has more equipment on than that runner.
Bulldog,
It isnt a WWF match. It is baseball.
You are supposed to play the game fairly.
If you play the game like a cheap shot artist - eventually - you will be the one that gets knocked out. And you will be the one going to the hospital.
You know it when you see it.
IMO
It isnt a WWF match. It is baseball.
You are supposed to play the game fairly.
If you play the game like a cheap shot artist - eventually - you will be the one that gets knocked out. And you will be the one going to the hospital.
You know it when you see it.
IMO
I'm not saying the catcher should try to hurt the runner. Not at all. What I'm saying is that the catcher should push back.
Yes, I know what it's like to get cheap-shot. I play football as well and have taken many while playing linebacker from wide receivers.
I'm not wanting the catcher to cheap-shot, but to rather protect himself and still block the plate. Agressiveness can prevent injury.
Yes, I know what it's like to get cheap-shot. I play football as well and have taken many while playing linebacker from wide receivers.
I'm not wanting the catcher to cheap-shot, but to rather protect himself and still block the plate. Agressiveness can prevent injury.
Bulldog,
If you are a catcher - and you are waiting for the ball to come into the plate - you are not expecting some ******* to elbow you in the head.
And if you are a catcher - and you have the ball - and are waiting for a collision - and the guy comes up High - and smashes your face in - it is hard to anticipate that as well.
Here is my advice - play hard - and play fair. Collisions are part of the game.
Cheap shots are not.
If you are going to cheap shot someone - sooner or later - you will be the one leaving on a stretcher.
You know it when you see it.
If you are a catcher - and you are waiting for the ball to come into the plate - you are not expecting some ******* to elbow you in the head.
And if you are a catcher - and you have the ball - and are waiting for a collision - and the guy comes up High - and smashes your face in - it is hard to anticipate that as well.
Here is my advice - play hard - and play fair. Collisions are part of the game.
Cheap shots are not.
If you are going to cheap shot someone - sooner or later - you will be the one leaving on a stretcher.
You know it when you see it.
its:
Great post...baseball's version of the Golden Rule and self preservation mixed together!
Great post...baseball's version of the Golden Rule and self preservation mixed together!
quote:you will be the one leaving on a stretcher.
Or, trying to unscrew a ball from your ear.
Woody 2500 post's your on a roll.LOL
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Or, trying to unscrew a ball from your ear.
Now that's funny.
There really is not any reason to have to hurt anybody in
baseball. It happen's but you should try to avoid it as much as possible.
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Or, trying to unscrew a ball from your ear.
Now that's funny.
There really is not any reason to have to hurt anybody in
baseball. It happen's but you should try to avoid it as much as possible.
theEH:
Thanks EH...I'll climb off that roll with this post and go tackle a biscuit!
Thanks EH...I'll climb off that roll with this post and go tackle a biscuit!
FormerObserver:
Unscrew a ball from your ear...hmmm...sounds like the makings for a good baseball joke...
"How many teammates does it take to unscrew a baseball from your ear?"
Punchline anyone?
Unscrew a ball from your ear...hmmm...sounds like the makings for a good baseball joke...
"How many teammates does it take to unscrew a baseball from your ear?"
Punchline anyone?