Base hit or fielders choice?

If the outfielder did not touch the ball before it hit the ground and it was not an error. I would have to say Earned run Base hit.

With the OF sliding to try and catch the ball, AND R1 holding up, I would say fielder's choice,
- outfielder gets an assist,
- the infielder gets the put-out,
- the hitter gets an official AB (yet 0-1),
- and due to R3 scoring, the hitters gets a RBI,
- and the pitcher is credited with one earned run.

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Bear

No hit... it is a fielders choice if the runner was forced... Batter gets RBI. As far as earned run.. we would have to know how the runner got to third.

But it was from an outfielder, does that matter?

Fielder's choice...RBI. No base hit is awarded when the runner fails to advance to the next base and is put out because of the batted ball. If this were a planned action by the outfielder I tip my hat to him. The run will score either way (normally). Better to have two outs with a man on first that have two outs and a man on second. An RBI is credited to the batter when a run crosses the plate because of a fielder's choice, a base hit, or a sac fly (plus other actions).

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I would have to say Earned run Base hit

theEH excuse me for being picky .... but the word "earned" in "earned run" is ONLY used to indicate the pitchers responsibility when a run scores. Since it is not indicated how the man on third and first became baserunners, we cannot determine if the run is an "earned" run or an "unearned" run.
Fungo

Fungo are you picking on me.LOL
There's so many rules, its no wonder Umpires get picked on.
It just seems that it should be a hit because it was in the outfield, not sure if the outfielder could of thrown to first for the out.
Are do they only take into account the force at second base to determine fielders choice?

Fungo,

I know your pretty good at this rules stuff. I had a thought come to mind.. What if the runner had made it to second but then was tagged out after over sliding the bag. How would it be scored then? IYO

No distinction is made as to where the ball is hit... or the method (or speed) the runner uses to get to the next base so outfield-infield makes no difference. Of couse unless the umpire calls an infield fly .... sometimes they do that when the ball is in the outfield ...

10.06
A base hit shall not be scored in the following cases: (a) When a runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error.

theEH, I know it's confusing when the offense works hard to earn a run only to find out it was unearned. Those are just pitching words and mean nothing ......... unless your a pitcher and then they mean EVERYTHING! To some pitchers the ERA means more than the W-L record!
Baseball, ya gotta love it!
Fungo

Moundmaster, The way I understand it. If he touches second base but overslides the base and is tagged out, he has safely reached second base so record it a base hit. If the runner misses second base and is tagged out it becomes a fielders choice...... even if the runner advances to third base and is calld out on appeal because he failed to touch second base.

A bit more detail. The ball was caught on a bounce by the sliding right fielder. The runner on third reached third on a base hit from the runner on first. I scored it as a fielders choice by the right fielder, no base hit to the batter and a rbi to the batter. Sounds like I might have got it correct.

Just add the earned run against the pitcher and YOU GOT IT!

classic fielders choice per rule......Fungo nailed. it.

MM, you still don't know for sure that it is an earned run. Perhaps a runner had already reached base on error & scored prior to this point in this particular inning. In which case, the run would be unearned (since under the scenario described the 'third out" under the reconstructed inning would have been a force out at second).

I Know thats the rule.
But a fielders choice would seem to me to be a chance to get either the runner at second are the runner at first?
And since the outfielder would not of had a chance to get the batter runner at first, that the runner going to second made a
running error?

According to the rules, there is no such thing as a running error. Only the defense can make an error.

Well it should be, because i've seen seen some bonehead running before. LOL

Great discussion. One more point of clarification the runner that eventually ended up at third reached first base via a basehit.

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Great discussion. One more point of clarification the runner that eventually ended up at third reached first base via a basehit.

That alone does not qualify him as an "earned" run. You have to reconstruct the inning without errors. This same batter that reached 3rd base because of a hit could have had his at bat prolonged by an error. (i.e. muffed fly ball in foul territory). In my opinion determinig whether a run is earned or unearned is one of the most difficult part of scoring. I know it would give me fits!
Fungo