HS. Runner on 1b, ground ball up the middle. R1 slides into bag and extends leg outward, not high, toward mif to break up double play. Is this allowed? What are the current related rules/guidelines?
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If the runner intentionally puts his foot in a place to "break up the double play" I have him out and the batter/ runner also out AND if malicious he is outta da game.
quote:Originally posted by POLOGREEN:
If the runner intentionally puts his foot in a place to "break up the double play" I have him out and the batter/ runner also out AND if malicious he is outta da game.
Be careful. A legal slide may be able to break up a double play.
As for the OP, chances are it was illegal.
quote:Originally posted by cabbagedad:
R1 slides into bag and extends leg outward, not high, toward mif to break up double play. Is this allowed? What are the current related rules/guidelines?
Force Play Slide Rule violation. The runner and the batter are out.
To be legal, the slide must be directly at the base or away from the fielder. By extending his leg outward toward the fielder to break up the double play, R1 has given the D an automatic 2. The only exception would be if R1 neither contacted the fielder nor altered his play. "Breaking up the DP" is only possible when the fielder is on, or directly in front of, the base.
quote:"Breaking up the DP" is only possible when the fielder is on, or directly in front of, the base.
The OP didn't indicate exactly where the fielder was.
I envisen a leg whip. I see it a lot, sliding at the base, but whipping the leg out toward the infield side to catch the SS, illegal.
quote:I envisen a leg whip. I see it a lot, sliding at the base, but whipping the leg out toward the infield side to catch the SS, illegal.
The OP did say extends leg "outward" so this could very well have been the case.
MST and pilsner, that is correct. 2b had recieved the ball from ss and made an attempt to move out of the basepath prior to making the throw and runner slid naturally into the base but extended the leg to create more difficulty for 2b to make the throw - not maliciously, but still an extension. I figured illegal but not 100% sure.
It was actually our runner and the other coach complained to the ump to no avail. We got away with one. There was discussion amongst our own coaches afterward (self included) and no certainty of the proper call. I want to advise our baserunners properly, so that it doesn't hurt us in the future.
Thanks everyone.
It was actually our runner and the other coach complained to the ump to no avail. We got away with one. There was discussion amongst our own coaches afterward (self included) and no certainty of the proper call. I want to advise our baserunners properly, so that it doesn't hurt us in the future.
Thanks everyone.
We had a similar play on a 6u-3 dp. R1 with one out in the inning. Ground ball and R1 slides over the bag spikes up (shortstop his bruise on thigh to prove it). We turned the dp, so there was no interference call, however I talked to blue after the game. What I learned is that the interference call would have been called by the home plate umpire, not the BU (and yes, he said he had the interference). You learn something new every day.
quote:Originally posted by cabbagedad:
runner slid naturally into the base but extended the leg to create more difficulty for 2b to make the throw
By "extended," we're assuming you mean away from a straight line to the base, correct? As in, his extended foot was not going toward the base but toward a fielder away from the base.
quote:We had a similar play on a 6u-3 dp. R1 with one out in the inning. Ground ball and R1 slides over the bag spikes up (shortstop his bruise on thigh to prove it).
There was no need to go any further with this play. Sliding with spikes up and into the thigh of the fielder (runner's foot above the fielders knee while in a standing position) is illegal. No waiting to see if DP was turned to determine if interference will be called.
If a FPSR violation occurs before, during or after the throw the penalty is still enforced. Additionally, spikes up and into the thigh of the fielder is intent to injure (malicious contact) regardless of where the fielder is standing and that runner is ejected.
quote:Originally posted by yawetag:quote:Originally posted by cabbagedad:
runner slid naturally into the base but extended the leg to create more difficulty for 2b to make the throw
By "extended," we're assuming you mean away from a straight line to the base, correct? As in, his extended foot was not going toward the base but toward a fielder away from the base.
He did a hook slide with left foot tucked, right foot leading (I know, wrong way into second anyway). Then, during the slide, he knew he would be out, so he sort of rolled to catch the bag with his arm/s and extended his lead right leg out toward the fielder to create a low hurdle to have to leap over. He was still in the basepath, spikes were not up, laces facing the fielder, and not more than six or eight inches of the ground. But he did extend his leg toward the fielder.
I've seen similar in MLB, where runner is catching the bag with his hand and sliding under the MIF where it is considered clean, but this is not MLB
so I needed some help.
"during the slide, he knew he would be out so he sort of rolled toword the fielder to creat a low hurdle to have to leap over" "he did extend his leg toword the fielder" That is illegal---- DP and if I judge intentional "otta da game"