Bat Exit Speed

I don't know the specific number, but if you do include it make sure you call it properly.  Ball exit speed.   

My opinion is it comes down to other factors.  Are you a first baseman?  Then 84 would be well below what they are looking for.  Need to be closer to 100 for that.  If you are a slick fielding shortstop 84 should be sufficient.  A great catcher?  84 would definitely do the trick.  I do think however anything under 80 probably puts you in a tough spot regardless of defensive prowess.  Not of course saying it would eliminate a person but just an uphill battle.

Does your son have a PG profile listing some of his measurable's?  If so, coach's can cross reference to see previous bat exit speeds and other stat's to develop their own profile of the player. 

 

Don't HF showcase provide stat's to the coach's so that they can filter them to reach out to players they're interested in?  

 

Have you looked at the PG profiles of kids that went to top academics?  Bat exit speed, OF or IF velos etc...  Also tying the 84mph with focus on getting stronger, a lot can happen between now and spring HS ball.  84 to 86 with a gain in lower half strength and tweaking mechanics seems do-able. 

 

 

Only going by what they told the players/parents at HF - the only thing that is tracked and distributed to the coaches is a scouting report on each pitcher.  They do batting in an indoor cage (at the Long Island sessions) and the coaches can go and watch but I'm not sure if they tracked bat speed or ball exit speed.    

 

I think Smokeinside was just at HF Jupiter - did they provide that info to the players during BP?

I do hope Smoke elaborates about their experience at Jupiter.  My 2018 will be attending HF next summer as an incoming Junior for the first time

 

Seems strange that the only stat's passed out to coach's at HF are only for pitchers.  Anybody know the HF thought process about this.  (I"m not questioning what you're saying, just in this day and age with technology and recruiting, why HF doesn't disseminate stats of all players in attendance to all the coach's seems odd.)

 

 

 

Do you know if anyone has mixed Zepp bat speed with Ball Exit off the tee from another radar not zepp at same time?  I would be curious to see if there are any similarities or contradictions.  

To my understanding of bat speed regardless of position:

Avg HS mid- upper 70 with power being in mid 80

Avg college mid-upper 80 with power being mid 90

 

I have seen guys who hit mid 90 off a tee but cant hit well, it just gives possible power if stars align, but we do use it as a measurement.

 

There is a differential between the two.  Here's a link providing explanations of Zepp data and ball exit velocity:

https://www.triplecrownsports.com/ads/7043_zepp-2.pdf

 

There have been a few threads about Zepp data.  Typically the extreme high bat speeds produced ground balls; they were not at the preferred angle to produce a line drive or line drive out of the park incorporating back spin and carry.  

 

Plenty of data out there...

I just checked online to make sure my memory was correct.  HF circulates only the pitching evaluation and 60 times to the coaches who attended the event.  There is a general explanation in the FAQ section online. 

 

Not to hijack the thread but HF is not like a typical showcase or PG event - there is no written evaluation provided or listed online for each player.  It's much more of a camp type environment where players have access to coaches both on the field and off.  I can only speak to the effectiveness of the camp from a pitchers perspective since my 2016 attended primarily as a pitcher (although he did the BP session and hit and played 2B in the game he didn't pitch).  Someone else may be able to provide feedback as to how it went from a position player standpoint.  

       
       
gov just a.guess but the extreme high bat speeds may surprise even the batter (outliar) and therefore the bat has passed its optimal.point of contact too soon and rising then as if the very early part of a 'follow thru'.  Thus making contact with the top half of the ball resulting in a ground ball likely to the pull side.

How do the look at ball exit speed ? Is it the top speed or average? I know pitching has top velocity and what they sit at. It seems to me they're a lot more variables to hitting. Or is % of hard hit balls more important?

So sorry if this is a dumb question, but is bat exit speed the same thing as exit velocity?

I'm not sure what the heck it's called but it was the speed of the ball measured after son hit it off a tee.

Exit Velocity(ball exit speed) measures the top ball velocity after contact.

 

Son attended HF this summer as a 1st baseman and pitcher. Clarifying what MK said above regarding the Long Island sessions, the entire coaching population seemed to be present at the indoor batting session which, by the way, was closed to parents and non-batters. I watched them all walk into the indoor facility. When son came out, he said his ball exit speed was gunned at 91. As we walked back to the fields we had several coaches come up to son and comment on his number. It seemed that they certainly were paying attention to this. Of course, the best was the next morning when he jacked a ball over the left field fence that hit the top of the scoreboard and was still rising...

 

HF was the single best camp event that son attended bar none. If you are interested in high academic schools...this is the way to go. If you are a 2017, I would try to go to CA or NY next summer; if you are a 2018, I would wait until the year after unless you want, and can afford, to go next fall in Jupiter. IMHO

Thanks for the answer Gov!

Good info on the batting and exit speed provided during the BP at HF.  2016 went there as a PO but did the batting anyway.  I asked him how the BP went and he just laughed and said not great.  

 

Smokeinside started another post and provided a great overview and some insight into why (possibly) other stats aren't distributed to the coaches - all the coaches are present when they do the infield, outfield and BP.  

       
       
Depends what you mean by your question.  If you mean is bat speed and exit velocity the same thing the answer is no.  Exit velocity will vary wildly from bat speed.  This is where 'squaring' the ball comes in to play.  If you do that very well your exit velocity will be significantly faster than bat speed.  There are a bunch of physics things that explain why the ball goes faster than the object that set it in motion.   I have read these things and only somewhat understood the science behind it!  But you can feel free to research it.  I think the max difference is somewhere in the 25% range.  So a 100mph swing speed could result in a 125 mph exit velocity. 

If you mean are.the two terms the same I can only say I personally never heard the term bat exit speed.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist simply I have never heard it put that way.

As for another Question of % of balls hit hard...  well in order to truly be hit hard they have to come off the bat with strong exit velocity.  In youth ball an example would be that cage line drive which in a game would bounce before getting to the 2nd baseman.  For high school or above you need to be able to at least hit a gap here and there.  Probably requiring at least an 80mph exit velo.  Also what people always seem to ignore is exit velo is really a factor of bat speed and point of contact.  If your TOP exit velo is weak then your bat speed is weak.  With a weak bat speed you have to commit to your swing sooner and are more apt to be fooled by the pitch. In addition even ground balls have a much better chance of getting through with a higher exit velo.  This should be intuitive but people just don't think about it. So in the long run you need a pretty quick bat and subsequently exit velocity as you get to the higher levels.

Bat exit speed is the velocity that the bat travels when it is let go toward the pitcher.