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My son will be 13 years old at the end of this month. He has just finished his Little League "career" and still has 1 12U AAU tourney and a Cooperstown trip in August before moving up to fall ball on the big field. He's only 5' tall and 105 lbs.

His current bats are an Easton Stealth Composite (31/20) and an Anderson Techzilla (31/22) - so I obviously don't mind spending a bit on good bats. He likes the pop of the Anderson more but prefers to use the lighter Easton vs. faster pitchers and the Tech vs. slower/easier pitching.

He also played a Spring season this year of 12U AAU and used some of his teammates big barrel bats (-10 Catalyst mostly). He felt it was more forgiving, but I thought his batspeed suffered a bit? Maybe just the better pitching? For Cooperstown next month, I suspect he won't be comfortable yet to use a -8 or -5, so I think he'd just continue sharing his teammates' -10 BBB for that one week. He can also take along his -10 Stealth LL bat, just in case he really feels like he can't get around (or is that just a crutch?).

Being a late July birthday, he will enter 8th grade this year (no middle school teams), which means he'll only get ONE year on the big field prior to reaching high school, at which point he'll have to swing -3.

Options being considered:

GAME BAT (High-end big barrel):

1. "Lightweight"

a. 31 -8, which will weigh 23 oz. (i.e. ExoGrid or Demarini F3). He dry-swung both yesterday and seemed a little slower than his LL bats. But he didn't feel like they were heavy. He could also hold either out w/ his arm outstretched to his side for 30+ seconds w/ no problem.
b. Or get a -10 (i.e. Stealth COMP) because it'll be easier for him to swing NOW w/ some decent batspeed. But then if he has to jump down to -3 a year later, will that be too much? Hopefully, he'll reach puberty during that year and that could help w/ strength, but no guarantee he does.

2. "Not so lightweight", like a -5 (2-5/8 or 2-3/4"?). This will be closer to eventual high school weight, but will he be able to have enough success to keep his confidence up? I realize the pitchers are 10-14' further back at 13 too, but will his mechanics suffer if the bat swings HIM?

PRACTICE BATS:

a. -5 2-5/8 bat. It is closer to the -3 and might help him prepare for the jump (as long as mechanics don't suffer).
b. Wood - we've always used wood at home ~30-50% of his practice (since he was 7 or 8). Should this be an inch shorter than his aluminum bats (so that it's not too heavy)?

My son is not particularly strong or quick for his size - at least not the "quick' part. Wink He routinely peppers our LL field's fence in BP (200' at corners and 220' in CF), and had 1 HR this year during the season, as well as a couple ground-rule doubles. Not what I'd consider "strong". We do need to work on improving his "core strength" this fall, as I believe that smaller players will need to be able to run faster than he currently does. Any good core training programs (DVDs, books, etc.) out there? He's a bit "doughy" - not fat, but some noticeable pre-pube "baby fat" in his torso. So I'm not sure he has the core strength to swing a -3 or even -5 yet?

I do have some cheap -3 bats at home for me and my brothers/friends. One is a 31/28, another is 32/29. I also have a 32/27. He might be able to swing some of these, but I'd expect a sloooow swing w/ 'em, given the length and weight.

Thanks,
Sandman
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Forget about -3 bats for now. The -10 BB Catalyst bat is an excellent bat and the one to get in the -10 range. -5 bats are great if you can swing them with good bat speed - I recommend the -5 Vexxum, the green/silver -5 Easton stealth, the -5 Miken Burn... But right now your son isn't ready for a -5. For his next bat he could go for something in between like a -9 or -8 . Do not get the "lighter" (-8.5) versions of the Exo or F3 - a waste of money as they have small sweet spots. The -3 versions of those bats are great just not the lighter versions. Look for a 2007 version of a bat to save money. In the -8 to -9 range I like the one piece "stiff" bats like the TPX dynasty, Eastons like the Havoc (or even their old 888 were excellent). the -8.5 Vexxum is good and with a good swing and good bat speed the ball flys off (great for gap hitters). Hope this helps.
Thanks for the help bbdad.

I watched him swing my -3 yesterday and the momentum pulled his whole body forward (like a lunge). I can't imagine he's ready for that. Big Grin

Isn't the 2008 F3 a -8? He swung it yesterday and it was, unless you're referring to a 2007 F3 (if that even exists?)?

Why do the Exo and F3 have smaller sweet spots? Is it that they're 2-5/8 and not 2-3/4?
I checked and you're right - the 2008 CF3 is -8 and the EXO is -8.5 ( I meant "around" -8...) The CF3 just came out so my feedback is based on what I have observed over a couple of tournaments from kids batting on different teams. Also, by physically looking at the bat you can see the barrel area is small. I was at the store the other day and looked at the 32" -3 version (my son is going into HS) and thought I would have to buy the 33" version to get more contact area...

On my son's travel team a couple of kids had the -8.5 Exo and they only used them for a short time and switched to another bat complaining of the small sweet spot. The -3 version though is the #1 bat I have seen used in travel for the boys that can swing a -3 though... I have seen quite a few homeruns hit with the -3 EXO. Both are 2 5/8" bats it just seems like the bat was designed as a -3 and the lighter version did not work out as well.

Generally the 2 3/4 bats have a nice sweet spot but are more tappered than bats like the 2 5/8 Vexxum with the "long barrel". My sons two bats he is using right now is a -5 Vexxum and a -5 2008 Miken Burn - the Burn is one piece full composite and Mike claims it has the largest sweetspot ( look at the bat side to side with other bats and you can see how big the barrel is. When he was your son's age he swung the -10 BB Catalyst in tournaments and that bat (full composite/ one piece) also had a huge barrel/sweet spot. Just put different bats side by side and you can see which bats have bigger barrels and how long the barrels are. The ones with fatter barrels closer to the batter's hands are an advantage to batters when they get pitched "inside". When playing tournament ball, pitchers rarely pitch over the plate anyway so you are better off with a bat that has a "long barrel design".

In my son's last year of LL he hit around 15 homeruns - more than half of them using a -10 Vexxum (green handle/silver barrel)until it cracked. He then used a Catalyst and that bat was also excellent. He tried other bats but they did not work as well for him. We also bought an Anderson Techzilla but it was too end loaded for him and did not work out as well as we expected.

Anyway, lose the skinny ll bats ! Get a senior league bat he can swing easily to get good bat speed and have some fun!
Yes, even when comparing snr bats the barrels can be different. 2 3/4" bats are generally more tapered. If you look at a 30" or 31" 2 3/4" bats they sorta look like clubs... A 2 5/8" Vexxum has a longer (non tapered barrel). If you hit the ball using the 2 3/4" part of the barrel the ball will really take off - but if you get jammed inside you could be making contact where the barrel is only 2"... So both types of bats are good just differnt. then you have to look at balanced versus end loaded. Some bats have flex handles while others have stiff handles. Thats why people say to swing different types to find the one you like.

A few comments regarding -3 bats... In fact I'll use a kid on my son's team as an example. He is probably around 5' 1" and 105 - 110 lbs in pretty good shape. He has a good swing and is using a 32" -3 Exo. At practice this weekend he was really nailing the ball during BP - hitting shots in the gap (maybe 250' - 280') - again the -3 Exo has great pop! But during tournaments he bats 9th or 10th and frequently strikes out. Why? Well during BP he times the pitches and swings early. During games he gets fooled by off speed "junk" swinging early and if he waits on the ball he's late on the fastball and fouls them off. It's only when he swings early and guesses right that a fastball is coming that he gets a hit. The guys with the high batting averages swing lighter bats, wait on the off speed and react on the fastball with short swings and excellent bat speed.
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Sandman,

So did you ever settle on a bat for your son? My son used a -7.5 conneXion in Cooperstown. He is playing what we call Step-up this fall (Basically it is fall ball played on the 90' field. There is free substitution and a continuous batting order)and he just tried out for his first real AAU team over the past two weekends (we will find out this week if he made it.) so he wanted his own bat to use for Babe ruth next year and hopefully the AAU team. He ended up selecting a TPX EXO (32/23.5) and he loves it. Got a great deal on Justbats.com too. I think it is ugly but hey if he likes it and hits well with it who am I to complain..lol.

We are still talking about our Cooperstown experience and the majority of those kids from our team are playing fall ball together and trying out for the AAU team (that coach is coaching this year's 13U team..so hopefully the core of them will stay together, they were a great bunch of kids. hopefully we can meet on the diamond again someday!!

Redsox8191
(NH Diamond Devils)
A 13U player will be required to use a -3 in two years in high school. Some states require middle school players to use -3. USSSA requires -3 at 14U. He should use a -3 now if he can handle it. If not he shouldn't go beyond a -5 drop. You should also get him a wood bat for BP.

Our 15U team has been playing as many wood bat tournaments as possible this fall. We've played up to 16U. It's amazing how wood bats expose poor swing mechanics. When my son came off the mound one inning after breaking the fourth bat of an opponent he said, "Just call be Black & Decker sawing off all those bats." If a hitter extends his arms improperly with a metal bat he can still lift a soft liner. With a wood bat he ends up with a broken bat in his hands. A high school kid who extends his arms too early with any kind of bat won't be successful in high school. Learn proper mechanics as soon as possible.
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TG,
A minor point-- the USSSA rules are confusing regarding bats for 14U players. They mandate a -3 drop for "scholastic based age divisions (14U-18U)". Conversely for "14U and younger age based divisions" the only restriction is on the BPF. As it turns out, the only 14U divisions actually listed on the USSSA website are soley age based, and so there is no drop restriction. At the Elite 24 this year, one team challenged the use of a -5 bat, and it was ruled to be OK.

But I agree that players should use a -3 as soon as they can.
My son is one of those that is 13 and in the 8th grade. Wonderful August birthday Roll Eyes

We bought him the Exo -8.5 and it felt extremely light to him and he stopped swinging it. I stopped into one of the little baseball shops here in town and put it on the consignment rack. When we received the call that it had been sold, I happened to look on the rack and noticed a Exo -3. I had him take it outside and swing it, he loved it and we bought it. Two weeks later he went to a Baseball Camp at a local highschool and it came up missing.

So we went out and bought him a new -3. He loves it. I was originally concerned about the bat being too heavy but he gets it around great and it has not affected his bat speed at all. It also puts him at an advantage since next year he doesn't have a choice on the weight he swings.
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Originally posted by TG:
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Originally posted by crdawg2521:
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Additional features include Nanocomp Technology Inside (NTI) for added durability. Available in a –3 drop, the Virus AB is BESR certified and legal in all associations allowing non-wood bats, including NCAA competition.

All Composite Adult Baseball Bat
Extreme Allowable Performance
Premium Priced

BESR CERTIFIED

-3 DROP


This poster sells these bats.

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