If someone posseses really fast batspeed do you think it could outrule some certain mechanics?
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Why is really fast batspeed so important??? 
quote:Originally posted by Shantzee:
If someone posseses really fast batspeed do you think it could outrule some certain mechanics?
Not at a higher level.
Guys with lots of bat drag can have good bat speed but take longer to get to that speed (due to their longer swings), which makes it hard for them to hit a good fastball.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
Why is really fast batspeed so important???
BlueDog,
I think I finally understand what you are doing. You are trying to get the hitters to think it through for themselves. Correct???
quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:quote:Originally posted by Shantzee:
If someone posseses really fast batspeed do you think it could outrule some certain mechanics?
Not at a higher level.
Guys with lots of bat drag can have good bat speed but take longer to get to that speed (due to their longer swings), which makes it hard for them to hit a good fastball.
Yep! That's why some kids can go 4-4 against a mediocre pitcher and then go 0-4 with 4 strike outs against a good pitcher. It just takes most kids too long to realize it and that's why their careers end so soon. Some don't know how to fix it and some do, but won't, mainly because they've been taught a certain way by someone they respect and it has worked up to this point.
You gotta be able to put the barrel of the bat on the ball at the right time.....In order to do this consistently against good pitching, you're gonna need some technique that will allow you to do it......
Anybody can hit mediocre pitching....And, very few can hit good pitching....Even fewer can hit great pitching....
Batspeed will do you no good if you commit the barrel of the bat to the swing plane too soon or too late....
Anybody can hit mediocre pitching....And, very few can hit good pitching....Even fewer can hit great pitching....
Batspeed will do you no good if you commit the barrel of the bat to the swing plane too soon or too late....
BooDawg that is a great post. So true.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
You gotta be able to put the barrel of the bat on the ball at the right time.....In order to do this consistently against good pitching, you're gonna need some technique that will allow you to do it......
Anybody can hit mediocre pitching....And, very few can hit good pitching....Even fewer can hit great pitching....
Batspeed will do you no good if you commit the barrel of the bat to the swing plane too soon or too late....
This is "knob to the ball" and then timing...correct??? Is it not the same in a golf swing???
quote:This is "knob to the ball" and then timing...correct??? Is it not the same in a golf swing???
Not the same. In golf the ball does not move, making the timing a piece of cake next to baseball. And "knob to the ball" has zero reference to the golf swing...
quote:Originally posted by deemax: And "knob to the ball" has zero reference to the golf swing...
Wrong! Good Golf intructors teach a drill called "tee to re-tee" which is a drill where the Golfer inserts a tee into the end of his handle or"KNOB". He is instructed to keep the tee pointed at the ball as long as possible and still get the club head back square to the ball and then have it point back down at the tee in his follow through. The only time in golf that you don't take the knob of the club to the ball first is during a short chip and a putt. If you are teaching hitting without teaching this move, then you are teaching hitters how to chip and putt!
quote:Originally posted by deemax:quote:This is "knob to the ball" and then timing...correct??? Is it not the same in a golf swing???
Not the same. In golf the ball does not move, making the timing a piece of cake next to baseball. And "knob to the ball" has zero reference to the golf swing...
Precisely.
You can "bat drag" all you want in a golf swing because the ball isn't moving.
Many can produce adequate bat speed but few possess the bat quickness to realize such bat speed at POC. Bat quickness will dictate the time a hitter has to process pitch recognition, timing, swing plane and ultimately determine one's level of success as a hitter.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Tee to re-tee is designed to create an earlier club head release. The golf swing has an arc, its not a direct line.
Care to tell me how long the "knob goes to the ball" on this swing?
tiger
Dude! You just proved my point! Listen to the commentator say "look how long he holds the angle, that's what gives him the power". Watch how long the end of the club stays pointing at the ball! Taking the knob to the ball (yes, while it is moving) creates this angle so that you still have wrist momentum at contact! An early release of the clubhead would mean there would be no angle between the club and forearms. You should try this the next time you play golf, maybe you will be able to stop taking your second shot from the Ladies' tee!
quote:Originally posted by NYdad:
Many can produce adequate bat speed but few possess the bat quickness to realize such bat speed at POC. Bat quickness will dictate the time a hitter has to process pitch recognition, timing, swing plane and ultimately determine one's level of success as a hitter.
I agree whole heartedly!
quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:quote:Originally posted by deemax:quote:This is "knob to the ball" and then timing...correct??? Is it not the same in a golf swing???
Not the same. In golf the ball does not move, making the timing a piece of cake next to baseball. And "knob to the ball" has zero reference to the golf swing...
Precisely.
You can "bat drag" all you want in a golf swing because the ball isn't moving.
See reply to Deemax's post!
micmister
wow... how was the knob pointed at the golf ball again?... this is really good stuff your making up. The knob is not pointed at the ball, its pointed down the center of the fairway...period
Thats what the "tee to re-tee" drill that you refered to is for...creating an early release.
My first shot is from the ladies tee only because your wife has a tough time from the blues, but shes getting better!
quote:Dude! You just proved my point! Listen to the commentator say "look how long he holds the angle, that's what gives him the power". Watch how long the end of the club stays pointing at the ball!
wow... how was the knob pointed at the golf ball again?... this is really good stuff your making up. The knob is not pointed at the ball, its pointed down the center of the fairway...period
quote:An early release of the clubhead would mean there would be no angle between the club and forearms.
Thats what the "tee to re-tee" drill that you refered to is for...creating an early release.
quote:You should try this the next time you play golf, maybe you will be able to stop taking your second shot from the Ladies' tee!
My first shot is from the ladies tee only because your wife has a tough time from the blues, but shes getting better!
quote:"look how long he holds the angle, that's what gives him the power"
Has nothing to do with whether the handle is torqued at "go" or not.
They are not mutually exclusive.
You can do both.
And the mlb hitters do do both.
quote:Originally posted by micmeister:quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Tee to re-tee is designed to create an earlier club head release. The golf swing has an arc, its not a direct line.
Care to tell me how long the "knob goes to the ball" on this swing?
tiger
Dude! You just proved my point! Listen to the commentator say "look how long he holds the angle, that's what gives him the power". Watch how long the end of the club stays pointing at the ball! Taking the knob to the ball (yes, while it is moving) creates this angle so that you still have wrist momentum at contact! An early release of the clubhead would mean there would be no angle between the club and forearms. You should try this the next time you play golf, maybe you will be able to stop taking your second shot from the Ladies' tee!
I have a $100 dollar bill that says Deemax can hit it 25 yards farther with his driver than you can.
The knob of a baseball bat points at the opposing dugout, it points at the opposite batters box, it points out towards the 2B or SS, it ponts out towards the approaching baseball, it points at the basecoach and it points at the other dugout.
There is not a good hitter in the world who just takes the knob and just keeps pointing at the baseball. The knob keeps pointing in different directions.during the swing.
Also, don't mess with Deemax, as he is my son and is 6'5 235 lbs of muscle.
It's all about good hands and proper mechanics. Have fast bat speed alone doesn't do it. As for as the knob, think what you want.
quote:Originally posted by bbscout:quote:Originally posted by micmeister:quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Tee to re-tee is designed to create an earlier club head release. The golf swing has an arc, its not a direct line.
Care to tell me how long the "knob goes to the ball" on this swing?
tiger
Dude! You just proved my point! Listen to the commentator say "look how long he holds the angle, that's what gives him the power". Watch how long the end of the club stays pointing at the ball! Taking the knob to the ball (yes, while it is moving) creates this angle so that you still have wrist momentum at contact! An early release of the clubhead would mean there would be no angle between the club and forearms. You should try this the next time you play golf, maybe you will be able to stop taking your second shot from the Ladies' tee!
I have a $100 dollar bill that says Deemax can hit it 25 yards farther with his driver than you can.
The knob of a baseball bat points at the opposing dugout, it points at the opposite batters box, it points out towards the 2B or SS, it ponts out towards the approaching baseball, it points at the basecoach and it points at the other dugout.
There is not a good hitter in the world who just takes the knob and just keeps pointing at the baseball. The knob keeps pointing in different directions.during the swing.
Also, don't mess with Deemax, as he is my son and is 6'5 235 lbs of muscle.
I never said it didn't. What I said was that at go, it points to the ball. As you rotate your body and throw the sweetspot through the ball, the knob will rotate away from the barrell. The bottom hand acts as a lever in part of the swing.
Just a request guys....can we respond with out the tedious copying. I think there are parts that can be copied and pasted, but the continual copying of whole posts three or four times on a page interrupts the flow of the thread. Thanks.
quote:Originally posted by noreast:
Just a request guys....can we respond with out the tedious copying. I think there are parts that can be copied and pasted, but the continual copying of whole posts three or four times on a page interrupts the flow of the thread. Thanks.
Okay! Sorry!
