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Batter Interference (BI) call in UT-ASU now NCAA CYA

D dallasblog.com100+ posts
GAme-changing umpire call in Texas' Game 3 win over Arizona State... Umpire called phantom Batter Interference on Ball 4 (TV replays show batter still in box and no contact with cather)... Ump for some bizzare reason (calls Batter out on Ball 4 and catcher's throw to second to get base runner taking off on pitch) ASU had a 1st and 3rd one out was made into a two out runner on first... It was a key play... Now being swept under rug (as expected) heading into CWS...

Expect rule clarifications and the umpiring crew not to work anymore NCAA regionals..

From Arizona State AD Lisa Love (Arl. Sam Houston grad '74) said Tuesday night: "From the ncaa re my requested rules interp: the batter interference call was correct and reasonable.....However the rule book isn't specific or definitive in our circumstance (ball four, runner @ first). Possible future rule change\interp"
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F funneldrill1,000+ posts
Line of the weekend by a fan at the Super Regionals..."hey blue, you're just like the weatherman, you're wrong 90% of the time!"

That's a tough call to make. Replays are hindsight. However, there were some calls in that series that definitely went the way of the Horns. What else is new! If you're going to beat the Horns at the Disch, you'd better BEAT them! The visitors NEVER get the calls there, period. Trust me, it was far worse when Gus was there.
PF Panther Fan100+ posts
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Originally posted by funneldrill:
Line of the weekend by a fan at the Super Regionals..."hey blue, you're just like the weatherman, you're wrong 90% of the time!"

That's a tough call to make. Replays are hindsight. However, there were some calls in that series that definitely went the way of the Horns. What else is new! If you're going to beat the Horns at the Disch, you'd better BEAT them! The visitors NEVER get the calls there, period. Trust me, it was far worse when Gus was there.


Just like playing at Highland Park
TX-Ump74TX-Ump74100+ posts
Just remember there does not need to be contact for BI... The batter NOT in the box when the throw was made he was starting to first base and was partly out of the box moving in front of the catcher...

...you really think umpires call in favor of whatever team.. really? this thread is going to turn into a joke (umpire bashing) before you know it...

Finally my 2 cents... point of emphasis is to call the interference on the Batter... you are looking at it via replay vs being there at that exact moment to call it... I don't necessarily agree with the call or the outcome of the call but you need to deal with it. I am also sure there was a lot of discussion and still is about the call by the crew that called the BI and the outcome as awarded... if the umpire feels he kicked it in hindsight, I am sure he is more down on himself then anyone else. It happens and a decision was made and it's time to move on. I think the bigger controversy with the call was not the actual call but the outcome of what was Batter and runner...
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D dallasblog.com100+ posts
Only UTers are justifying this horrible call which (why college blinders nullify credible) --- if correct call it means on every Ball 4 with a man on base the catcher should immediately throw to the base the runner now owns and cause Batter Interference...

Not a Ken Burkhart, Don Denkinger or Jim Joyce missed-call and not as big as the "tuck rule" reversal to give NE Patriots another down to beat Raiders (which rule was later changed so not to repeat itself)... but it's terrible to have umpires/refs insert themselves in critical part of game for a phantom call .... Had chance to correct... "Did I just call out a batter on Ball Four cause the catcher threw to second? Can I justify this? Do I let pride get in way? Do I change my call and realize I just really swerved out of my lane?"
R RLB100+ posts
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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Just remember there does not need to be contact for BI... The batter NOT in the box when the throw was made he was starting to first base and was partly out of the box moving in front of the catcher...

...you really think umpires call in favor of whatever team.. really? this thread is going to turn into a joke (umpire bashing) before you know it...



Of course not, we think that every umpire and every institution holds itself to the utmost moral standard just like the NBA always has. Wink
HA honest and unbiased100+ posts
Dallasblog,
Boo Hoo Hoo. Fact is Texas outhit, outscored, outpitched, and played better defense than ASU. Umpiring mistakes, if this was one, are sometimes part of the game. To try to act like there is some kind of conspiracy going on at the Disch or with the NCAA is comical.

Umpiring at both the Regional and Super Regional left a lot to be desired and was not very good in my opinion, but teams have to deal with it. Strike zones were all over the place and several calls on the basepaths were flat out wrong. One particular call in the Regional cost Texas 2 runs (I know guys like you and Funnel might find this hard to believe, considering we were playing at the Disch and "visitors NEVER get a call there")but Texas managed to not let it affect their game and still won.

There is no way to know whether ASU would have scored any more runs. The next batter popped out to the infield. Doesn't appear Esmay likes bunting too much so I would doubt he would try to bunt the runner on 3rd home had he been there.

ASU scored 6 runs in 3 games and that number should have been 4. They hung on by the skin of their teeth for the first 6 innings of the Sunday game and were lucky that the game did not get out of hand.

ASU is a good team. Texas is a good team. The one that played the best this series won, plain and simple. How is that for an Honest and Unbiased assessment?
M MDteX10+ posts
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Originally posted by dallasblog.com:
Only UTers are justifying this horrible call which (why college blinders nullify credible) --- if correct call it means on every Ball 4 with a man on base the catcher should immediately throw to the base the runner now owns and cause Batter Interference...

Not a Ken Burkhart, Don Denkinger or Jim Joyce missed-call and not as big as the "tuck rule" reversal to give NE Patriots another down to beat Raiders (which rule was later changed so not to repeat itself)... but it's terrible to have umpires/refs insert themselves in critical part of game for a phantom call .... Had chance to correct... "Did I just call out a batter on Ball Four cause the catcher threw to second? Can I justify this? Do I let pride get in way? Do I change my call and realize I just really swerved out of my lane?"


From what I've heard the catcher did not it was ball 4 so he attempted to throw out a runner. Simple and he did what he should do. If the call is interference on a throw then what is the result? Is there a definite ruling or is it left to the umpire's discretion? The ump did not call out a batter because the catcher threw to second. In the Ump's opinion, and the only one that matters at this point, is that the catcher was interferred with. It doesn't matter what the count is.

UTers think it was right? Even Augie was surprised at the what the umpires ruled. He just wanted the runner back to second. Sure Longhorn fans liked the call. Had it been the other way around I'm sure the Sun Devil fans would have liked it too. Your singling out Longhorn fans is in poor taste.

So you think every catcher will start throwing to second on a walk with a man on first? I doubt it. Let's count them in the CWS and see.
PF Panther Fan100+ posts
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Originally posted by honest and unbiased:
Dallasblog,
Boo Hoo Hoo. Fact is Texas outhit, outscored, outpitched, and played better defense than ASU. Umpiring mistakes, if this was one, are sometimes part of the game. To try to act like there is some kind of conspiracy going on at the Disch or with the NCAA is comical.

Umpiring at both the Regional and Super Regional left a lot to be desired and was not very good in my opinion, but teams have to deal with it. Strike zones were all over the place and several calls on the basepaths were flat out wrong. One particular call in the Regional cost Texas 2 runs (I know guys like you and Funnel might find this hard to believe, considering we were playing at the Disch and "visitors NEVER get a call there")but Texas managed to not let it affect their game and still won.

There is no way to know whether ASU would have scored any more runs. The next batter popped out to the infield. Doesn't appear Esmay likes bunting too much so I would doubt he would try to bunt the runner on 3rd home had he been there.

ASU scored 6 runs in 3 games and that number should have been 4. They hung on by the skin of their teeth for the first 6 innings of the Sunday game and were lucky that the game did not get out of hand.

ASU is a good team. Texas is a good team. The one that played the best this series won, plain and simple. How is that for an Honest and Unbiased assessment?
F funneldrill1,000+ posts
When teams go to the Disch and lose it's usually because the Horns are the better team and beat them. Last weekend was no different, Texas was the better team. Umpiring is part of the game, both good and bad. Bad teams whine about umpiring, good teams overcome it...always have always will. It's only 1 out, should have done more with the other 26.

Umpiring is very good 98% of the time and you don't notice them. The blues aren't going to be perfect, just like us coaches and the players. If they only "miss" 2% of the calls, I can live with that.
C Catcherz_Dad100+ posts
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Originally posted by funneldrill:
When teams go to the Disch and lose it's usually because the Horns are the better team and beat them. Last weekend was no different, Texas was the better team. Umpiring is part of the game, both good and bad. Bad teams whine about umpiring, good teams overcome it...always have always will. It's only 1 out, should have done more with the other 26.

Umpiring is very good 98% of the time and you don't notice them. The blues aren't going to be perfect, just like us coaches and the players. If they only "miss" 2% of the calls, I can live with that.



That's a great take on the situation, Funnel. All too often, fans (myself included) focus on 1 play or 1 out and summarize the entire outcome of the game or series on that one event. Very well said.
BT Behind the mask10+ posts
To Funnel Drill and Catcher's Dad: Thank you!
Although I haven't seen the play, I think a mistake was made so I'm going to look for a video or a complete description.
But this is my point: As CD stated, if we do a good job we don't get noticed. If we miss something, we do. This is the question I always ask my friends: if you had a part-time job that you did effectively 95% of the time, would your boss be happy? If you see 300 pitches in a game and miss only 3, that is a success rate of 99%. But if those three were near the end of the game or in crucial situations, you're HORRIBLE! One last fact- on a typical hs/college field, an umpire must cover approx. 51,000 sq ft. But football ref has app. 9000 sq ft & BB covers 5000 sq ft.
Lastly, as to the amount of rules to know and enforce.......it's unbelievable. The book published 2 years ago entitled As They See 'Umby Bruce Webber is the best at describing the life of an umpire at every level.
Ok, time to get off my soap box.

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