Batter puts his hand up

I barely can read the FED stuff, sure can't quote it, but will go out on a limb and say all codes treat this the same way.
Participants request time, blue grants/calls time.

If it's a balk because F1 thought the batter had time and balked by stopping his delivery, they both screwed up, a wash.

If it's some other balk, you didn't have time it's a balk.

If you call the balk, somehow make it very clear to all participants that time was not out, might take a clear stare in the batters eye or a cusory question to your partner, "you call time?" Nope.
Me neither, that's a balk, they'll get the message.

If the pitcher stops because the batter throws his hand up or steps back then ignore the balk. It is truly the only do over in baseball. If the pitcher is smart he pitches anyway, just because the batter steps back it doesn't mean the umpire called time.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
It is truly the only do over in baseball.

There's one more.

mst

Why do you ignore the balk?

Time was not called----

Do Over???????

I'm confused, too. If the ball is still live and a balk is committed, how can it be ignored?

OBR 6.02(b) Comment:If after the pitcher starts his windup or comes to a “set position” with a runner on, he does not go through with his pitch because the batter has stepped out of the box, it shall not be called a balk. Both the pitcher and batter have violated a rule and the umpire shall call time and both the batter and pitcher start over from “scratch.”

Both parties are in violation of the rules. Thus, it is a "do over" and nothing can happen. Umpire calls "Time" and no runners advance. If the pitcher follows through, then whatever happens on the play, happens and is called according to the rules.

Mr Umpire

The OP Says the move was a balk move--not just not making the pitch-- and what is this "do over" stuff---are we back in the sandlot?

As per your signature line---I am not accepting it because that is "just way it is".

FED rules also:
6-4-d1(c) page 40. I can type it later if you need me to. Don't have time now, but basically if the batter causes a pitcher to balk by stepping out or requesting time..it is a no pitch. The ball is dead.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Mr Umpire

The OP Says the move was a balk move--not just not making the pitch-- and what is this "do over" stuff---are we back in the sandlot?

As per your signature line---I am not accepting it because that is "just way it is".

No it doesn't. It does not specify what the balk is. Also, if the balk was caused by the batter stepping out, it is a "do over" or "start over from scratch"(for rule book terminology).

If F1 is in the set position and looks up at a batter stepping out, then just drops his hands to wait. A balk is not to be called b/c the batter and pitcher violated a rule and the batter caused it by stepping out. Even though, "the pitcher moves to create a balk."

If F1 turns to throw to 1B without stepping off and doesn't throw while at the same time the batter is stepping out but is not the cause of the balk, then it is a balk. Odds are, this will be a balk every time for a RHP b/c F1 is not stopping due to the batter. He isn't even looking at the batter then.

Now, on the same note, if there is a R1 and LHP, F1 starts to lift his free foot and notices the batter step out, then stops. No balk is to be called even if it may appear he was leaning to 1B. The batter caused the stop. This is a matter of judgment definitely as to why F1 didn't complete the play.

Where does this come from ???--the batter caused the balk !!!!


Cmon now---put that on the do over page----what level are you umping--all pitchers are taught to make the pitch even if time IS called in the middle of their delivery--- this prevents a possible injury

And you guys wonder why I have a problem with umpires, cannot speak for others but I am sure I am not alone---you all have your own "book" --there are no logistics--one says we determine the strike zone--another says we go by the book---another says "we do not call that"---


WOW

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Where does this come from ???--the batter caused the balk !!!!


Cmon now---put that on the do over page----what level are you umping--all pitchers are taught to make the pitch even if time IS called in the middle of their delivery--- this prevents a possible injury

And you guys wonder why I have a problem with umpires, cannot speak for others but I am sure I am not alone---you all have your own "book" --there are no logistics--one says we determine the strike zone--another says we go by the book---another says "we do not call that"---


WOW

Seriously. You are serious with this post. I can't speak for FED and NCAA but I believe they have very similar wording. I gave you the OBR (Official Baseball Rules) which MLB plays under and any other rule set based on the OBR such as LL, Pony, USSSA, Dizzy Dean, and any others out there. It is rule 6.02(b) Comment in my previous post. I did NOT give an answer of "That's just the way it is". I gave a direct quote from OBR(MLB rules) and you give this kind of post.

And, I gave the rule book terminology since you don't like the "do over" statement which is just being ridiculously petty. It says "start over from scratch" which is the same as saying "do over".
As you stated, WOW.

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Originally posted by hsballcoach:
FED rules also:
6-4-d1(c) page 40. I can type it later if you need me to. Don't have time now, but basically if the batter causes a pitcher to balk by stepping out or requesting time..it is a no pitch. The ball is dead.

You may need to type it out. Some just don't believe we know the rule book better than they do.

If the pitcher with a runner on base, stops or hesitates in his delivery because the batter steps out of the box (a) with one foot or (b) with both feet or (c) hold up is hand to request "Time," it shall not be a balk. In (a) and (c), there is no penalty on wither the batter or the pitcher. The umpire shall call time and begin play anew. In (b), a strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1. In (a), (b), and (c), if the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains alive. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter in (b). If the umpire judges the batter's action to be a deliberate attempt to create a balk, he will penalize according to 3-3-1o.
Whew....hope that helps.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Where does this come from ???--the batter caused the balk !!!!


Cmon now---put that on the do over page----what level are you umping--all pitchers are taught to make the pitch even if time IS called in the middle of their delivery--- this prevents a possible injury
And you guys wonder why I have a problem with umpires, cannot speak for others but I am sure I am not alone---you all have your own "book" --there are no logistics--one says we determine the strike zone--another says we go by the book---another says "we do not call that"---


WOW

Not always. Monday night my son was pitching in a varsity game. Runner on first, so son is looking over his shoulder at the runner. Batter puts his hand up to call time. I guess ump called time, although I did not hear it. Catcher stands up and moves to side with arms up to let pitcher know time is called. Pitcher starts coming home with slide step, looks home too late and delivers ball right at unprotected umpire!! Fortunately, it did not hit him, but it looked like ump had a few words with the catcher about leaving him unprotected.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Where does this come from ???--the batter caused the balk !!!!


Cmon now---put that on the do over page----what level are you umping--all pitchers are taught to make the pitch even if time IS called in the middle of their delivery--- this prevents a possible injury

And you guys wonder why I have a problem with umpires, cannot speak for others but I am sure I am not alone---you all have your own "book" --there are no logistics--one says we determine the strike zone--another says we go by the book---another says "we do not call that"---

WOW

TR,

A whole lot of your problem with umpires would go away if you just read the rule book.......

As in this case, you are arguing a point that is clearly defined in the rule book. Page 40 in the 2010 NFHS rule book rule 6-2 art4 1.

I know you do a lot of good for players with your college select program and your technical ability with the play of the game is undoubted....but your leaving out a weapon in the baseball arsenal if you dont have a rudimentary understanding of the rules......

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Originally posted by TRhit:
mst

Why do you ignore the balk?

Time was not called----

Do Over???????

Wow. You really are serious aren't you, TWit? Have you ever invested in a rule book and a casebook?

I can only surmise you have some talent in finding qualified people to run your baseball program.