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Not exactly a newsflash..I know.
My advice is to get your hands on these bats as early as possible. In my experience, I feel like they are better once broken in, but I've heard somewhere that that isn't scientifically true. These bats are also heavier (the Demarinis at least), so it's important to get in the weight room.
The guys who have made the best transition to the BBCOR are the line drive contact guys. I've seen some really well struck balls only make outfielders retreat a few steps. Groundballs also don't seem to get through as often, and I've seen speedy outfields take over games.
The guys who have made the best transition to the BBCOR are the line drive contact guys. I've seen some really well struck balls only make outfielders retreat a few steps. Groundballs also don't seem to get through as often, and I've seen speedy outfields take over games.
quote:Originally posted by Big Red:
My advice is to get your hands on these bats as early as possible. In my experience, I feel like they are better once broken in, but I've heard somewhere that that isn't scientifically true. These bats are also heavier (the Demarinis at least), so it's important to get in the weight room.
The guys who have made the best transition to the BBCOR are the line drive contact guys. I've seen some really well struck balls only make outfielders retreat a few steps. Groundballs also don't seem to get through as often, and I've seen speedy outfields take over games.
These bats aren't composite anymore. This is one of the big goals with the BBCOR bats is to control the future exit speeds which they could not do with composite.
You guys think this has made a big difference in college this year, just wait until next year HS season.
quote:These bats are also heavier (the Demarinis at least), so it's important to get in the weight room.
How can a 33oz BBCOR bat be heavier than a 33oz BESR or Wood bat?
quote:Originally posted by TX-Ump74:quote:These bats are also heavier (the Demarinis at least), so it's important to get in the weight room.
How can a 33oz BBCOR bat be heavier than a 33oz BESR or Wood bat?
a 33oz bat?
From what my son has told me, they just feel different, due mostly to weight balance. He indicated that they felt end-weighted.
quote:Originally posted by cball:quote:Originally posted by TX-Ump74:quote:These bats are also heavier (the Demarinis at least), so it's important to get in the weight room.
How can a 33oz BBCOR bat be heavier than a 33oz BESR or Wood bat?
a 33oz bat?
I'm sure he meant a 33" bat...30oz...it does seem a bit weird although my son swears some 33's feel lighter than others...I'm sure it's all in the weight distribution and balance of the bat.
Orig. post by RLB:
These bats aren't composite anymore. This is one of the big goals with the BBCOR bats is to control the future exit speeds which they could not do with composite.[/QUOTE]
Easton's Omen and TPX's Z-1000 are both BBCOR composite bats, the Easton Surge is a composite handle w/alloy barrel.
There will be more to come.
These bats aren't composite anymore. This is one of the big goals with the BBCOR bats is to control the future exit speeds which they could not do with composite.[/QUOTE]
Easton's Omen and TPX's Z-1000 are both BBCOR composite bats, the Easton Surge is a composite handle w/alloy barrel.
There will be more to come.
What I want to know is will the BBCOR help my kid run faster or throw more strikes. 
Not run faster but utilize the black on the inside of the plate! 
quote:Originally posted by doubleday:quote:Originally posted by cball:quote:Originally posted by TX-Ump74:quote:These bats are also heavier (the Demarinis at least), so it's important to get in the weight room.
How can a 33oz BBCOR bat be heavier than a 33oz BESR or Wood bat?
a 33oz bat?
One of the new performance tests for the BBCOR bats tests the moment of inertia. This prevents the new bats from carrying the bulk of the weight near the handle as before, this allowed bat to swing faster than barrel weighted bats. A non-BBCOR bat that was 30oz. can feel like a 27-28oz. bat based on where the weight is distributed.
Now there is a minimum allowable moment of inertia allowed.
I'm sure he meant a 33" bat...30oz...it does seem a bit weird although my son swears some 33's feel lighter than others...I'm sure it's all in the weight distribution and balance of the bat.
quote:Originally posted by Out in LF:
Orig. post by RLB:
These bats aren't composite anymore. This is one of the big goals with the BBCOR bats is to control the future exit speeds which they could not do with composite.
Easton's Omen and TPX's Z-1000 are both BBCOR composite bats, the Easton Surge is a composite handle w/alloy barrel.
There will be more to come.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I misspoke. I should have said "no more hollow composite." These composite bats do not perform at their peak right before they break. It is a completely different bat.
quote:Originally posted by TX-Ump74:quote:These bats are also heavier (the Demarinis at least), so it's important to get in the weight room.
How can a 33oz BBCOR bat be heavier than a 33oz BESR or Wood bat?
opps... I forgot they don't have 36" bats anymore... I used a 36/33 Wood bat way back
quote:Originally posted by Clemson896:
From what my son has told me, they just feel different, due mostly to weight balance. He indicated that they felt end-weighted.
Exactly. This is probably the biggest reason why I think it's important for high school kids to get this in their hands as early as possible. Just like the kids who started swinging a drop 3 in middle school had a little bit of a jump start when they got to high school.
As of April 29, Easton has ZEROcomposite barrel bats that are BBCOR approved. I've been told they have a few that will be on the market by Sept. The only manufacturers with approved Comp. Barrel bats as of 4-29 were Demarini, Combat, and Lousville Slugger. That's from the NFHS list for bats that coaches and umps use.
Added fact- this season in college games there was an avg of 1.5 runs less per game (as of early April).
Added fact- this season in college games there was an avg of 1.5 runs less per game (as of early April).
quote:Originally posted by Big Red:quote:Originally posted by Clemson896:
From what my son has told me, they just feel different, due mostly to weight balance. He indicated that they felt end-weighted.
Exactly. This is probably the biggest reason why I think it's important for high school kids to get this in their hands as early as possible. Just like the kids who started swinging a drop 3 in middle school had a little bit of a jump start when they got to high school.
Can't got there with you. The kids who could swing a -3 EFFECTIVELY in middle school were the big beasts. They would have raked it regardless of what they were swinging.
quote:Originally posted by "Behind the mask":
As of April 29, Easton has ZEROcomposite barrel bats that are BBCOR approved. I've been told they have a few that will be on the market by Sept. The only manufacturers with approved Comp. Barrel bats as of 4-29 were Demarini, Combat, and Lousville Slugger. That's from the NFHS list for bats that coaches and umps use.
Added fact- this season in college games there was an avg of 1.5 runs less per game (as of early April).
From Easton.com and Just Bats.com
Welcome to Easton's Omen all composite BBCOR bat released early April. Replacing it's predecessor the Stealth, Easton introduces a brand new two-piece bat called the Omen that will surely make its presence felt in all levels of baseball this season. Made from Easton's patented IMX Composite, this bat will allow players to hit farther than they ever thought possible with a BBCOR bat!
The Easton Omen is BBCOR Certified and is approved for high school and collegiate play.
quote:Originally posted by Out in LF:
Welcome to Easton's Omen all composite BBCOR bat released early April. Replacing it's predecessor the Stealth, Easton introduces a brand new two-piece bat called the Omen that will surely make its presence felt in all levels of baseball this season. Made from Easton's patented IMX Composite, this bat will allow players to hit farther than they ever thought possible with a BBCOR bat!
The Easton Omen is BBCOR Certified and is approved for high school and collegiate play.
Just as we all thought... things are changing almost by the month with these new bats. I could be completely wrong, but what you swing and purchase now will be different than what you can purchase before next spring's HS season.
Granted, I know each bat company will tout its "latest and greatest" offering, but they are certain to make adjustments within the allowed regs to produce more performance. They've been doing this for years with the old BESR regulations.
Our kids hit with the Nike ones yesterday. Could tell a difference but the ball still traveled decent....when actual contact was made. 
quote:Originally posted by Newscout:
You guys think this has made a big difference in college this year, just wait until next year HS season.
Someone from California could probably give us a report on how their season went with this new bat.
I am with Allen Wranglers...I would be hesitant to get one until the last minute. Any perceived gains by utilizing one early will certainly pale compared to newer, perfected, versions of the BBCORS when the deadline approaches.
Like I've been say'in. Use the wood come Sept. more will be released.
Easton will have a new Surge Black/Yellow/White -3 got the scoop last week.
Louisville Slugger has just released its 2012 lineup. (Z-1000...replaces the H2 Hybrid, EXO and new Omaha). Nike has relased its 2 new BBCOR's this past month with M1 one piece metal and M2 two piece metal barrel with composite handle.
Don't know if Marucci, DeMarini will come out with replacements to their current BBCOR's as of yet.
Easton will have a new Surge Black/Yellow/White -3 got the scoop last week.
Louisville Slugger has just released its 2012 lineup. (Z-1000...replaces the H2 Hybrid, EXO and new Omaha). Nike has relased its 2 new BBCOR's this past month with M1 one piece metal and M2 two piece metal barrel with composite handle.
Don't know if Marucci, DeMarini will come out with replacements to their current BBCOR's as of yet.
Riddle me this........The reason for the BBCOR bat is that technology has made the bat bounce off a ball dangerously fast. We have now "dumbed down" the batted-ball speed and the bat's specifications (sweet spot, MOI, etc...). If that's where the line has been drawn, what the heck is the difference betweein Easton's $399 Omen and a it's $99 Reflex? At the end of the day, the bat has to meet the "dumbed down" specifications and bounce off the same.
I say we put the pitchers in knight's armor and utilize alien technologies developed at Area 51 to increase the trampoline affect ten-fold. 
I need to partially retract a statement I made above in this thread. We had a Louisville Slugger bat rep come to our HS this week to let the players hit with some of the new BBCOR offerings from LS (TPX Omaha, EXO, and Z-1000).
He was very clear to our HS coach and to the boys that LS will NOT be offering a new lineup of bats until Mar/Apr of next year.
This surprises me to an extent, b/c I would think the companies would keep working on "new and improved" products, but I also understand marketing, tooling of manufacturing processes, and the fact that the BBCOR they sell to HS they also will sell to colleges, who will want the bats earlier, and possibly larger quantities.
I can't speak for the other major bat manufacturers, but if you like LS, what they have now for 2012 is what you will buy in Nov/Dec.
My son (who is not a power hitter) said he felt the Z-1000 was very much like his current TPX H2 Hybrid that he likes. Of course... the most expensive one of the lineup. :P
He was very clear to our HS coach and to the boys that LS will NOT be offering a new lineup of bats until Mar/Apr of next year.
This surprises me to an extent, b/c I would think the companies would keep working on "new and improved" products, but I also understand marketing, tooling of manufacturing processes, and the fact that the BBCOR they sell to HS they also will sell to colleges, who will want the bats earlier, and possibly larger quantities.
I can't speak for the other major bat manufacturers, but if you like LS, what they have now for 2012 is what you will buy in Nov/Dec.
My son (who is not a power hitter) said he felt the Z-1000 was very much like his current TPX H2 Hybrid that he likes. Of course... the most expensive one of the lineup. :P