BCS mess

Hey how about deciding the winner based on PF (Points For) and PA (Points Against)

graduation rates has nothing to do with the men on the team,more so the other 20k on campus

or was that a joke and I missed it?

I hate the BCS. I hate how college football is geared directly towards a small percentage of teams. I hate not having a playoff system. I hate that some conferences have a championship and some don't.

But I think they got it right in choosing Oklahoma over Texas and Tech. I think Oklahoma has had a stronger finish to the season than the other two. We need to look at the whole season to determine who the better team is rather than one game a month and half ago.

Oklahoma has played a slightly tougher schedule than the other two. It's not tougher by much but when you look at the types of teams and their W/L records Oklahoma has a very small advantage.

Schedule
Oklahoma played teams in historically tougher conferences. They beat Washington (yes they stink but when the game was scheduled I bet they though UW would be better). They beat the Big East champ Cincinnati. They also beat a really good TCU team who only lost to OU and Utah (this was a close game 13-10 late in the season. Their conference schedule was pretty tough overall. The only bad thing is they played Chattanooga who is a IAA (or whatever it is they call it now).

Texas played good competition overall but not on the same scale as what Oklahoma did. They beat FAU who was .500, UTEP was below .500, Arkansas was below .500 and Rice was 9 - 3.

Tech played two IAA teams and Nevada who was 1 - 11.

Tech has the weakest schedule overall with Oklahoma the toughest and Texas a very close second.

I don't like the points for and points against idea either. If you go with points for then you will see teams scoring 80 against other teams to help them out. That is just bad business. If you go with points against then you are actually hurting high scoring teams. If a team scores a lot (especially quickly) then that gives the other team more opportunities to score. In today's college football that is going to happen. How many shutouts do you see in college football now?

Down the stretch OK has finished stronger beating two ranked teams (OK ST and Tech) easily. Since they got beat by TX they have defeated opponents by 14, 23, 34, 36, 44 and 20. That is 5 of 6 games where they flat out dominated (and they dominated before Texas too).

Texas finished by destroying MO (very impressive), losing to Tech and taking care of business with Baylor, KS and A&M. The margin of victories are about the same - 25, 4, L, 24, 28, 40.

Tech finished not as strong. Losing to OU by 44 points and barely beating Baylor at home. They did have an impressive win over OK ST and Texas before going downhill.

I just don't think a game played a month and half ago should be the determining factor when there was a whole season to consider. Plus the whole I beat you and you beat them does have some merit. OU destroyed Tech who beat Texas. Yes Texas beat OU who destroyed Tech and so on and so forth but when you factor in the schedule and margin of victory then OU destroying Tech is a little more impressive.

There is no solution though and honestly if Texas would have ended up there it would have been the right choice. Both Texas and OU deserve to be there - more so than Missouri who got killed by Texas.

The team who is going to get screwed the most is Alabama. They have went all season undefeated and are going to lose to Florida. When that happens they are no longer going to be in contention for the national championship. Why should they be punished for losing in the last game to a great team while Florida lost to a weaker team but had the chance to overcome it?

College football is messed up.

It was a joke...put forward by Leach because Tech is #1 in conference grad rates while UT and OU are 11 and 12. I think he was poking fun at everyone selling their case regardless of what the Big 12 tiebreaker rules say (like em or not, they are the current rules).

Coach, I was with you til the end. If Florida beats Alabama, then Florida is the strongest team at the end of the year and Alabama will have proven itself unworthy of playing for a national championship. But if the game goes to multiple overtimes, all bets are off.

Whats the best way to determine who the best team is? Head to head. They played and they played on a neutral field. And Texas beat OU. Now we are going to say its how you finish the season. How many points you can run up on the other team. Style points.
The problem is the fact that the Big 12 has a poor tie breaker in place.

Florida beats Bama. OU beats Missou. And we have a Florida OU NC game. And OU gets it handed to them once again ala Ohio State. While probaly the best team in the nation USC never gets an opportunity. The whole thing stinks and it will continue to stink.

Ok Coach May, lets here why USC is the best team in the country.

I did say probaly Danny.

#1 reason - I love the uniforms.

If I put USC at #1 it would be because of their fight song. Luv it!

http://fightmusic.com/mp3/pac10/USC__Fight_On.mp3

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Originally posted by Holden Caulfield:
Coach, I was with you til the end. If Florida beats Alabama, then Florida is the strongest team at the end of the year and Alabama will have proven itself unworthy of playing for a national championship. But if the game goes to multiple overtimes, all bets are off.

See to me that is not fair. Why allow Florida a chance to overcome a loss to a weaker team (Ole Miss) while Alabama is punished for losing to a much stronger team? I think Florida is the much better team but they have failed once and had a chance to overcome it.

This is just one small problem with college football in that teams and times of the season aren't equal. College football is becoming more unbalanced all the time. The big conferences are gaining more and more power while the smaller conferences are gaining more and more in talent. Utah, Boise St and teams like this are getting to where they can compete against the big dogs. I doubt they can consistantly beat the top teams but they are gaining ground. One day they will be able to but they will not have a legitimate chance to play for the national championship.

Utah and Boise St have had great seasons but their reward is a courtesy spot in a BCS bowl game. Why can't they have a legitimate shot at the whole thing. One game, one chance you never know. Let them have that chance.

As for the Big 12 I like what Tony Kornheiser said on MNF - "Why let people outside of your conference determine who would play for your championship. Take care of your own business."

Also, I still say Texas didn't beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. Dallas is only 3 hours away from Austin. In Sports Illustrated this past week this guy had an article inside the OU / TT game article talking about who should play MO. In one part he said that Texas beat OU on a neutral field but then in the same article said that whoever plays MO will not be playing on a neutral field because the game is in St. Louis.

So how can he in one sentence praise Texas for defeating OU on a neutral field while in another sentence talk about how MO has a homefield advantage at a neutral site? Does MO travel better than Texas?

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Also, I still say Texas didn't beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. Dallas is only 3 hours away from Austin

Norman OK to Dallas TX 186 miles
Austin TX to Dallas TX 197 miles
Also, there were more Sooner fans this year
than Horn fans. So I guess you're right coach,
Texas didn't beat them on a neutral field.

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If I put USC at #1 it would be because of their fight song. Luv it!

Why doesn't the USC band play it more during the Game.

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Originally posted by Danny Boydston:

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Also, I still say Texas didn't beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. Dallas is only 3 hours away from Austin

Norman OK to Dallas TX 186 miles
Austin TX to Dallas TX 197 miles
Also, there were more Sooner fans this year
than Horn fans. So I guess you're right coach,
Texas didn't beat them on a neutral field.

Semantics - just let me keep my feeling of superiority while on my soap box.

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why doesn't the USC band play it more during the Game.

Because they are looking at the cheerleaders in sweaters

I'll be the one to bring up the elephant in the room- PLAYOFF!

Take Texas, Texas Tech, OU, USC, Penn St., Alabama, Florida, and Utah. It would only take seven games total to decide a national champion. There are already five "BCS" bowls (Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Rose, and National Championship). Replace the "National Championship Bowl", then elevate the Cotton, Gator, and Peach (I know, it's Chick Fil A) and you've got your seven games.

I'd probably seed them:
1- USC (I agree with Coach May, I think they're the best team in the land)
2- Florida (after beating Bama)
3- Texas
4- Oklahoma
5- Alabama
6- Texas Tech
7- Penn State
8- Utah

Now that would be fun!

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Originally posted by coach2709:
Tech played two IAA teams and Nevada who was 1 - 11.

Actually, Nevada is 7-5 and going to a bowl game and Tech had to add another I-AA team when Tulsa dropped their game with Tech this summer and there wasn't much time to find a quality replacement. Tulsa, incidentally, is playing for the Conference USA title this weekend.

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Originally posted by coach2709:

The team who is going to get screwed the most is Alabama. They have went all season undefeated and are going to lose to Florida. When that happens they are no longer going to be in contention for the national championship. Why should they be punished for losing in the last game to a great team while Florida lost to a weaker team but had the chance to overcome it?

College football is messed up.

Coach - I agree with ya! Perhaps it's a KY bias against Florida, but this scenario disturbs me too! I'm crossin' my fingers that Bama pulls it out against the Gators!! Roll Tide!!

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Originally posted by Danny Boydston:
If I put USC at #1 it would be because of their fight song. Luv it!

http://fightmusic.com/mp3/pac10/USC__Fight_On.mp3

I would put them at number one on account of their traditional cheerleader uniforms.

Many questions will be answered today but still lots of folks will be unhappy. It is sad to try and solve it all with opinions and I can't believe conferences are letting these opinions help them decide their champion. It should be an in house system making the decision.

By the end of the day I'll probably know who my Utes won't play but still anxious to learn who they will play.