Better for the Draft? D1, D2, D3, NAIA, or JUCO?

Talent

The draft is about  options as well as signability, which usually involves $$$$$, lots of it.

If you are a player headed for JUCO,  what do  you as a player hold in your pocket for negotiation? One, two years of college?  Or attending a top tier ACC or SEC or Pac12 program?

While  draft  SS is slotted, the best prospects have commitments at the top programs because this earns them more money.

If you want whats best for the draft, unless you get a lot of money, go to college first. Others may have other opinions, but the real story is that it is more than likely a player will not get passed AA after 4-5 years and then you have nothing. 

JMO

TPM posted:

The draft is about  options as well as signability, which usually involves $$$$$, lots of it.

If you are a player headed for JUCO,  what do  you as a player hold in your pocket for negotiation? One, two years of college?  Or attending a top tier ACC or SEC or Pac12 program?

While  draft  SS is slotted, the best prospects have commitments at the top programs because this earns them more money.

If you want whats best for the draft, unless you get a lot of money, go to college first. Others may have other opinions, but the real story is that it is more than likely a player will not get passed AA after 4-5 years and then you have nothing. 

JMO

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Well . . .  not exactly "nothing".   They'll likely still be  able to go back to school and have it all paid for the the organization.  That could amount to $60,000 or more of benefit though one is no longer playing for an organization.     And of course, going back to school us much easier said than done at such a late stage.

c2019 posted:

what would be Better for the Draft? D1, D2, D3, NAIA, or JUCO?

Actually, this is really quite a complex question.  There are some developmental advanges to playing at top D-1 programs vs say, the Juco.  So a lot will depeonds on how the player matures and develops.  Top players tend to go the the top D-1 schools, BUT . . . that can play against a player if the organization perceives that player and more committed to going to college than signing (signabiility).  Exactly the same player from a Juco has much the same issue.  What is better for the draft is one's signability and add the value of time onto that (meaning, the sooner one is willing to sign the better their position in the draft and more money).

Truman,

I am talking about a HS player, who with a commitment from, lets say a JUCO might not get enough money to attend college from a drafting team. Now if you are a top prospect committed to, lets say Vandy (which means you probably are a more talented player) and sign you will negotiate to get the money to attend that will count more later on for school, plus bonus.  But for the average player, nope they wont get the full cost of what it would take to go to school, less inflation (unless negotiated), less 20 % to Uncle Sam and not have anything to negotiate. We have had this discussion here before.

IMO if one is contemplating that question and good enough they would have an advisor to advise that question.

Your leverage is your D1 commitment.  That's why doing well in school is soooooo important. 

I looked at the first 2 rounds of the 2015 draft.

37 High School, 34 D1, 3 D2, 1 JuCo

MidAtlanticDad posted:

I looked at the first 2 rounds of the 2015 draft.

37 High School, 34 D1, 3 D2, 1 JuCo

Ahhh, I was thinking since his son is a 2019 he was asking which commitment would be better. My bad.

But which program to attend, hands down D1.

TPM posted:

Truman,

I am talking about a HS player, who with a commitment from, lets say a JUCO might not get enough money to attend college from a drafting team. Now if you are a top prospect committed to, lets say Vandy (which means you probably are a more talented player) and sign you will negotiate to get the money to attend that will count more later on for school, plus bonus.  But for the average player, nope they wont get the full cost of what it would take to go to school, less inflation (unless negotiated), less 20 % to Uncle Sam and not have anything to negotiate. We have had this discussion here before.

IMO if one is contemplating that question and good enough they would have an advisor to advise that question.

Your leverage is your D1 commitment.  That's why doing well in school is soooooo important. 

 

Good points.

But he way the question is structured, it suggests that a player would already in in one of those 5 levels and excluding HS.   Perhaps the question itself could have been made clearer???

My question is for a kid in HS . I know a few kids not including mine  in their junior and senior year  Who have the aspiration 

I wonder, of those D1 players who were drafted out of HS but chose to go to school, how may of them lowered their draft status vs. how many improved their draft status?

c2019 posted:

My question is for a kid in HS . I know a few kids not including mine  in their junior and senior year  Who have the aspiration 

Truman,

The question wasn't clear but here is what he meant.  

My son was projected 5-7 round in HS.  He wasnt drafted but he was  2 round out of Clemson.

I would say that for most they improve, except for consideration of the injury issue in college. Some say that pitchers drafted high, very high should sign and  I agree.  But for some, college can help them improve, I do not know abut position guys, but better to get your at bats in college and attend summer leagues.

TPM posted:

c2019 posted:

My question is for a kid in HS . I know a few kids not including mine  in their junior and senior year  Who have the aspiration 

Truman,

The question wasn't clear but here is what he meant.  

My son was projected 5-7 round in HS.  He wasnt drafted but he was  2 round out of Clemson.

I would say that for most they improve, except for consideration of the injury issue in college. Some say that pitchers drafted high, very high should sign and  I agree.  But for some, college can help them improve, I do not know abut position guys, but better to get your at bats in college and attend summer leagues.

TPM, I assume your son didn't sign because of "signability", i.e., he let it be known he was going to college and wasn't changing his mind?  at least at round 5 or below.

Go44dad posted:

TPM posted:

c2019 posted:

My question is for a kid in HS . I know a few kids not including mine  in their junior and senior year  Who have the aspiration 

Truman,

The question wasn't clear but here is what he meant.  

My son was projected 5-7 round in HS.  He wasnt drafted but he was  2 round out of Clemson.

I would say that for most they improve, except for consideration of the injury issue in college. Some say that pitchers drafted high, very high should sign and  I agree.  But for some, college can help them improve, I do not know abut position guys, but better to get your at bats in college and attend summer leagues.

TPM, I assume your son didn't sign because of "signability", i.e., he let it be known he was going to college and wasn't changing his mind?  at least at round 5 or below.

Son  had a strong commitment, almost a full scholarship which wasnt much less than offered by the NY Yankees, so it was about the money for him to sign. The night before we got a call from a very well known scout who told me with his options he thought going to college would be the best for him.  Instead of wasting a pick  to someone else our advice was if you weren't sure than you really didn't want to sign and he wasn't worth the money that we felt would make a difference.

We also didn't think we could find a better pitching coach than Kevin O'Sullivan.  Not all milb teams are created equal and a pitcher or player can have 4-5 different coaches telling them what to do.   We felt one for 3 years would be best and it turned out ok.

Looking back I will tell anyone who asks if we would do it over again, or rather would he do it over and sign out of HS, no will always be the answer.  Its pretty tough in milb and I think growing up in college is a better option for most. Keep in mind unless a very high HS draft prospect who got a lot of money, playing ball in the back fields of the spring training facility isn't really much fun. 125-150 wasn't going to cut it. At Clemson the fan base is huge and so is attendance.

Just a very funny story, the Yankee scout who really liked son, moved over to the Cardinals and played a small part in son being drafted.  Listen, if a scout likes you he will follow you.

It is true that today they move players up much faster.  And of course its all a personal choice, but hey, he asked!

Each situation has to be examined on its own merits. I know a kid who graduated a year early rather than at nineteen. He was recruited by a top program. The coach talked the kid up as maybe his best recruit ever.

I told a friend, "I don't know how he did it. But this kid fooled the experts." I bet my friend $100 the kid would never be the starting catcher at this program. It baffled me I felt I knew more than the experts in this situation.

For three years the kid lost the starting job by the beginning of conference play. He wasn't drafted. Had he stayed in high school he would have terrorized his league and probably been a 3-10 round draft pick.

Now I would like someone to explain how he signed as a free agent and lasted to a third season while not hitting .200 for two years in short season. I like the kid and wish him well. But I don't get it. The only thing I see is when he walks into a room his appearance screams "ball player."

Interesting... Sometimes I am forced to think of "the choice"  one day its this way and one day its the other.  I guess in time it will become more clear which route to take.  I have decided that whatever his choice assuming he has one, is that you must prove yourself daily in milb or high D1.... and TPM is right grades are a big big thing.  I know a jr committed to a SEC program with a ACT of 18..... good luck with a D1 baseball job and maintaining the required gpa for the ncaa.

I am definitely convinced if someone can go to school and play perhaps 70 games of baseball by end of season, they can do anything!

c2019 posted:

what would be Better for the Draft? D1, D2, D3, NAIA, or JUCO?

the majority of drafted college Players are D1. In 2014 only 15 D3 Players were drafted, non of them in the first 10 rounds.

http://www.d3baseball.com/nota...2014-players-drafted

found some numbers from 2013

http://www.ncsasports.org/blog...-draft-2013-numbers/