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Bout time! Glad he was around to see it happen.
The HOF will let anybody in. Blyleven didn't even win 300 games and was just a little better than a .500 pitcher.
Blyleven was a very good pitcher had a great curve ball but putting him in the hall is a joke. An average of 14-12 169K per year avg not exactly hof numbers. His career ERA at 3.31 was good though. But then again, I think there are loads of players who don't belong in the HOF because IMO, their numbers should be off the charts for the position they play to get in the hall.
Blyleven was a very good pitcher had a great curve ball but putting him in the hall is a joke. An average of 14-12 169K per year avg not exactly hof numbers. His career ERA at 3.31 was good though. But then again, I think there are loads of players who don't belong in the HOF because IMO, their numbers should be off the charts for the position they play to get in the hall.
Zomby, Zomby ,Zomby...
If Blyleven doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame with 287 wins for generally average clubs with 3701 strikeouts, a 3.31 ERA and 1.20 whip, then I guess these three Yankees have to be shoved out too:
Red Ruffing:
Only 273 wins for the famed Bronx Bombers with a 3.80 ERA and only 1987 K's in 4344 innings. 45 shutouts only 15 less than Blyleven.
Lefty Gomez:
In the Hall with only 189 wins with a decent 3.34 ERA but only 1468 K's despite playing for some of the winniest teams of all time.
Even Whitey Ford:
Last I looked 236 wins is far less than 300 with again only 45 shutouts and a 1.22 whip but a solid 2.75 ERA but I guess I'll just have to kick him out because he didn't accumulate enough wins considering the number of pennant winning clubs he was on.
Put Blyleven on any of those era Yankee clubs and there would be no question of who the big winner was.
I'm not serious about removing any of these Yankee greats but I think Dutch can stay in their company.
If Blyleven doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame with 287 wins for generally average clubs with 3701 strikeouts, a 3.31 ERA and 1.20 whip, then I guess these three Yankees have to be shoved out too:
Red Ruffing:
Only 273 wins for the famed Bronx Bombers with a 3.80 ERA and only 1987 K's in 4344 innings. 45 shutouts only 15 less than Blyleven.
Lefty Gomez:
In the Hall with only 189 wins with a decent 3.34 ERA but only 1468 K's despite playing for some of the winniest teams of all time.
Even Whitey Ford:
Last I looked 236 wins is far less than 300 with again only 45 shutouts and a 1.22 whip but a solid 2.75 ERA but I guess I'll just have to kick him out because he didn't accumulate enough wins considering the number of pennant winning clubs he was on.
Put Blyleven on any of those era Yankee clubs and there would be no question of who the big winner was.
I'm not serious about removing any of these Yankee greats but I think Dutch can stay in their company.
Zomby,
While I disagree with you (and strongly to the comment about it being a joke),
I'd be interested in hearing your take on Jack Morris.
While I disagree with you (and strongly to the comment about it being a joke),
I'd be interested in hearing your take on Jack Morris.
quote:Originally posted by zombywoof:
The HOF will let anybody in.
Blyleven was a very good pitcher had a great curve ball but putting him in the hall is a joke.
No personal offense, but you make yourself look like a joke to make such a comment.
Bert Blyleven is deserving of a HOF induction, and I personally think it is overdue. Sure he was not a first ballot inductee and no one thinks he should have been. However his numbers in strikeouts alone should qualify him. He is number 5 on the all time list along with some of the games greats.
Name Strikeouts Rank
Nolan Ryan 5,714 1
Randy Johnson 4,875 2
Roger Clemens 4,672 3
Steve Carlton 4,136 4
Bert Blyleven 3,701 5
Tom Seaver 3,640 6
Don Sutton 3,574 7
Gaylord Perry 3,534 8
Walter Johnson 3,508 9
Greg Maddux 3,371 10
Congrats, Bert! Well deserved!
Julie
Julie
Perhaps a joke a bit strong on Blyleven since he did have a very good career. I also rechecked his career post-season stats and they were very good. However, I still don't think he's a hall of famer. Closer than I originally thought but just a bit short of a hall of famer.
I think you could make a decent case for Morris but he falls a bit short in my book. I saw Jack Morris as a dominant pitcher in his prime. One of the best in the game during the 80s to early 90s.
For me, hall of famer should be reserved for all time greats and were the greatest among their generation. If you have to break down somebody's numbers to justify them, then right there tells me that player don't make it.
The hall of fame should be reserved for only those who had a major impact on the game and put up numbers only few can rival. This may knock out 75% of all the hall of fame inductees in my book but that's the way I see it.
I think you could make a decent case for Morris but he falls a bit short in my book. I saw Jack Morris as a dominant pitcher in his prime. One of the best in the game during the 80s to early 90s.
For me, hall of famer should be reserved for all time greats and were the greatest among their generation. If you have to break down somebody's numbers to justify them, then right there tells me that player don't make it.
The hall of fame should be reserved for only those who had a major impact on the game and put up numbers only few can rival. This may knock out 75% of all the hall of fame inductees in my book but that's the way I see it.
Zomby,
All right, we agree on one! I also don't feel Morris is quite there.
All right, we agree on one! I also don't feel Morris is quite there.
Congratulations to Bert Blyleven, one of the good guys in the game!
Other's have mentioned Jack Morris. No doubt, Jack Morris was a Bulldog on the mound and had some great playoff performances. But Morris is behind Blyleven in almost every notable pitching category for their respective careers. Blyleven over Morris is the right decision...JMO.
Other's have mentioned Jack Morris. No doubt, Jack Morris was a Bulldog on the mound and had some great playoff performances. But Morris is behind Blyleven in almost every notable pitching category for their respective careers. Blyleven over Morris is the right decision...JMO.
you have to admit he's got a great Berman name.
Bert "be home" Blyleven
Bert "be home" Blyleven
His peers believed he was a "dominant pitcher during his era (See Brooks Robinson's comments). He is number five all time in strikeouts, 9th in complete games and 27th in wins.
After over a century of play and thousands of pitchers, I'd say those are pretty good numbers given the number of really poor teams he competed for.
After over a century of play and thousands of pitchers, I'd say those are pretty good numbers given the number of really poor teams he competed for.