Bogeyorpar's D1 Academic-Baseball College Ranking

Thanks for compiling..interesting stuff

I appreciate your efforts Bogey.  Thank you.

Thanks Bogey! Great list.

Surprises: Miami. Oh, I knew they were good in baseball, just surprised on the academic side. And UCLA -- I would have expected them higher.

And BC -- could they really be ranked 26 on the baseball side?!?

2019Dad posted:

Thanks Bogey! Great list.

Surprises: Miami. Oh, I knew they were good in baseball, just surprised on the academic side. And UCLA -- I would have expected them higher.

And BC -- could they really be ranked 26 on the baseball side?!?

I have no idea of Miami's academics either.

UCLA -- at least it's ranked. JCG has been complaining forever that UCLA was not on the "Tier one athletes" list but UC Davis was. (On that note, UC Davis is on this list also, so JCG may still be unhappy

The baseball ranking is from the RPI rating on NCAA D1 site. Maybe BC did extremely well last year.

LOL, well if complaining = remarking, and 2-3 times = forever, then yes, guilty as charged!  RE Davis - no, not at all, it deserves to be there. Great school; not a great baseball program, yet, but has potential.  If I was going to quibble about CA public schools I'd say that WSJ ranks Cal Poly too low, and that if you did an average for baseball over 5 years UC Irvine would do better, as it probably should.

While it's a pretty good resource I don't think this will be as useful to families as your D3 list. There are too many apples to oranges comparisons to schools because D1 conferences are so different and also due to the importance of staying in state to save tuition at public schools.  Just for one example I can't imagine any student athletes picking between these 2 schools:

JCG posted:

While it's a pretty good resource I don't think this will be as useful to families as your D3 list. There are too many apples to oranges comparisons to schools because D1 conferences are so different and also due to the importance of staying in state to save tuition at public schools.  Just for one example I can't imagine any student athletes picking between these 2 schools:

19	Columbia University	3	182	56.7
20	Texas A&M University-College Station	80	4	57.2

Very true. Look at this bunch -- how did UCSB perfectly split 4 ivies?

If a kid has the academics of Ivies and baseball skills of UCSB, he would probably go to Cal or Stanford.

It's a great list, thanks Bogey.  It's a good tool for challenging some pre-conceived notions of schools.  I think it's wise to be careful to realize it's based on a 70-30 split of academics baseball.  In my opinion, that is about right, but some people might feel as though academics are more important so 80-20 might be better, or, I suspect more likely among this group, people may feel the baseball should have more weight at the D1 level so a 60-40 makes more sense to them.  It's just a list - a useful one that may bring schools to people's attention they may not have considered or even thought of.

The comment about BC above raises an excellent point - it's a one year snapshot.  The academic side is likely fairly constant, but the baseball one could be pretty volatile.  BC had an incredible year last year.  One that was not at all consistent with how they have performed over the past several years.  I'll bet a snapshot from previous years would have resulted in a different place on the list for BC.  Same for Princeton.  They went from one of the poorest win/loss records in all of D1 the previous season, to catching lightning in a bottle and winning the Ivy this past year.  Their place on the list would have likely been quite different in 2015.  It's a one year snapshot.......a good one - but I think users should apply context.

For me, the surprise is Rice University. I've heard a lot about Duke, Vandy, and Stanford on this site, but never heard anyone discuss Rice as a high academic baseball powerhouse. From last year's rankings, it looks like it's head and shoulders with Vandy both academically and baseball-wise. How come nobody discussed this gem?

Rice is a great school - a lot to love about it - it was my 2015's #1 choice for a while.  But it's not very well known outside of its area.  If it wasn't for basketball and baseball, respectively, you could say the same thing about Duke and Vandy.

Actually Rice is very well known for both academics and baseball.

Over the past 20 years or so, I think they have been in the NCAA playoffs every year.  They have been to Omaha (College World Series) 7 times in that period. They actually won the World Series one of those years.  5 other times they fell one game short of making it to Omaha by losing in the Super Regionals.  They have a legendary coach that has won over 1,000 games and they have been ranked in the top 25 almost always in the past 20 years.  They have produced many first round picks and MLB players.

So over the past 20 some years Rice is one of the very few programs that might be considered #1. Everyone that follows college baseball knows about Rice.

What is great about this ranking is that you have four distinct groups that could result in widely different out of pocket costs to attend: (1) the Ivy schools who are essentially full price for a family that does not meet the definition of financial need, (2) the next elite academic group like the Stanford's that can give athletic money but not merit because the entire student body is elite, (3) the next group of private schools who can give both types of awards as a D1, and then (4) the in-state versus out of state public schools (some of who can qualify students for in-state based on merit).

I believe there are other threads on this forum debating the "value" of the private schools versus in-state.  But seeing this ranking would help me understand why a baseball kid from SoCal who was being recruited by both USC and Cal-Berkeley would choose Cal-Berkeley assuming a similar 25 percent athletic scholarship offer.  About $25K in yearly savings by choosing Cal over USC given very similar academic/baseball rankings would make a lot of sense. 

BOGYORPAR. Rice is the best academic school in Texas, hands down. They are not discussed much here as until recently they mostly had TX kids on their roster. (it still is TX dominated) It was on my son's list, but he was not on theirs.  As PG pointed out they are a baseball powerhouse and a few years ago they consistently had the most power arms in all of college baseball. 

Also one comment to UCSB. 

"If a kid has the academics of Ivies and baseball skills of UCSB, he would probably go to Cal or Stanford."

UCSB was one of the final three on my son's list (2011) but they were in the middle of a coaching change. He did not get an offer from Stanford, but did from one Ivy.  All you would have to do is visit the campus to know how far from the truth that statement is to a young male athlete. 

UCSB was one of the final three on my son's list (2011) but they were in the middle of a coaching change. He did not get an offer from Stanford, but did from one Ivy.  All you would have to do is visit the campus to know how far from the truth that statement is to a young male athlete. 

On ANY warm, sunny day.  And there are a lot of those.

Where can I find an updated version of this?

It’s interesting information. But how important is it to have access to the current data. There’s a school ranked high where you can get a top forty education, play in a major conference and lose weekend series after weekend series in bad weather half the time.

I believe everyone has to do their own research and make their own ranking based on academics, baseball, affordability, geography/distance from home, campus size, social and cultural considerations.

To me, Stanford and Vanderbilt would be the top two based on academics and competitiveness history. But what if they’re located in places a kid doesn't want to be want to be or it’s not a cultural fit and he’s homesick and unhappy? Now they’re not appealing

Larry Bird was a top high school basketball recruit. He was a poor kid from a small, hick town. As an adult he referred to himself as The Hick From French Lick. He got to Indiana, had a wealthy (in his view) roommate and was overwhelmed by the size of the campus. The IU campus population was twenty-five times bigger than his hometown. He left in less than a month.

He did it again in late 2017, for 2018:

https://community.hsbaseballwe...75#48319319726512275

I think that's the most recent.

anotherparent posted:

He did it again in late 2017, for 2018:

https://community.hsbaseballwe...75#48319319726512275

I think that's the most recent.

That one is for HA D3.

Realized that, sorry.  I don't think he did another D1 one.

RJM is right, it doesn't have to be totally  current, and most of the programs moving up and down would be known to most people. For example, you obviously (IMO)  have to put Vandy in the top slot right now,  and Michigan in the Top 5. UCLA deserves a significant bump, as does Cal (if you ignore the fact that US News has completely yanked their ranking, though that is another story).