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Called 3rd Strike ???

B blm100+ posts
This year several people have noticed that it seems less and less players are getting called out on a third strike. Is this happening anywhere else?

Alot of pitchers that I have seen get ahead in the count and cant put the batter away with a good third strike. The counts are running deep.

Its not just one sided, it seems to be the same for all.
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B blm100+ posts
I guess both.

They cant get a batter out on a called third strike. Good pitch or bad. Son had a game last night not one batter went down on a called third strike for either team.

Im seeing alot of these pitchers and coaches from other teams scratching there heasds. I had asked the coach form the other team last night about it and he said, funny I should mention it, they were just talking about that. Maybe its a PA thing this year I dont know.

Alot of these pitchers are working ahead and then getting into 2-2 or 3-2 counts. Very strange.
piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
quote:
I guess both.

They cant get a batter out on a called third strike. Good pitch or bad



That would be the first time in my part of PA that I ever heard that umpires are reluctant to call the 3rd strike.......usually the complaint is the other way....umpires are too quick to pull the trigger on a 3rd strikes....


go figure.......I have no problem pulling the trigger on strike 3........
D dash_riprock1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by blm:
This year several people have noticed that it seems less and less players are getting called out on a third strike. Is this happening anywhere else?

Alot of pitchers that I have seen get ahead in the count and cant put the batter away with a good third strike. The counts are running deep.

Its not just one sided, it seems to be the same for all.


What's not one-sided - blaming the umpires for your son's walks?
B blm100+ posts
PIAA,
I agree it is usually the way thats why it seems odd.
Come on up and call a few for these schools. The AD here claims we are short on umps in this area.

d_r
Read the post,
Im not talking about my son, Iam talking across the board where we live. The point is its taking the pitchers pitch counts higher that much quicker.



You just dont see guys going deep in the game as much, do to pitch counts and PIAA rules for rest and innings allowed. Most team here do not have 15 man rosters with 10 pitchers.
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piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
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PIAA,
I agree it is usually the way thats why it seems odd.
Come on up and call a few for these schools. The AD here claims we are short on umps in this area.



Its just not in your area of PA.........there is a severe shortage of umpires.......all over the state...

We are losing umpires at a rate well over the addition rates of new candidates....There are just not a lot of young people entering into umpiring....when I look around my chapter I see a lot of older umpires (at 47 I am in the "younger" group).......we have umpires who are well into their seventies still calling HS games.....
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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We are losing umpires at a rate well over the addition rates of new candidates....There are just not a lot of young people entering into umpiring....when I look around my chapter I see a lot of older umpires (at 47 I am in the "younger" group).......we have umpires who are well into their seventies still calling HS games.....


Recently my association sent a questionnaire to former members who quit umpiring within the past five years. Some had umpired as little as two years and some as much as twenty. We were most interested in why those with less than ten years and particularly with those with less than three years experience had left.

The top reasons given, in order were:

1. Treatment by coaches
2. Treatment by fans
3. Expense of equipment and uniforms purchase and replacement.
4. Getting time off work to make HS games
5. Slow rate of promotion
6. Expense of travel
7 Increased amount of training expected by the assocation.
8. "Politics"/issues with assignments
9. "No longer enjoyable/fun"
10. Family issues
WelpeWelpe10+ posts
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Originally posted by piaa_ump:

We are losing umpires at a rate well over the addition rates of new candidates....There are just not a lot of young people entering into umpiring....when I look around my chapter I see a lot of older umpires (at 47 I am in the "younger" group).......we have umpires who are well into their seventies still calling HS games.....


Speaking for my area only, HS games here start at 3:30 to 4:00. Having to leave work early enough to battle the San Francisco Bay Area traffic, get dressed, have a pre-game and inspect equipment is a major strain on somebody in my position that has a new career.

I don't know how other areas of the country are, but the early game times seem to be a big problem.

As to the original topic, I love ringing up strikes if they are there! Strikes = Outs. Smile
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Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
quote:

We are losing umpires at a rate well over the addition rates of new candidates....There are just not a lot of young people entering into umpiring....when I look around my chapter I see a lot of older umpires (at 47 I am in the "younger" group).......we have umpires who are well into their seventies still calling HS games.....


Recently my association sent a questionnaire to former members who quit umpiring within the past five years. Some had umpired as little as two years and some as much as twenty. We were most interested in why those with less than ten years and particularly with those with less than three years experience had left.

The top reasons given, in order were:

1. Treatment by coaches
2. Treatment by fans
3. Expense of equipment and uniforms purchase and replacement.
4. Getting time off work to make HS games
5. Slow rate of promotion
6. Expense of travel
7 Increased amount of training expected by the assocation.
8. "Politics"/issues with assignments
9. "No longer enjoyable/fun"
10. Family issues


Unfortunately it is countrywide. But look at the list.
1,5,7 and 8 are all directly tied to the experience level of the officials. 2 and 9 can be tied to training to a point.
If newer officials don't want to train then their mechanics will never get better ad their game management will never get better. This is a direct cause to coach and fan abuse. They won't get promoted and it will cease to be fun. There is little you can do about the expense of travel and equipment or the time of games. These are out of the control of anybody. But you can lessen the other problems by proper training and rule study.
B Brenda10+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:

Recently my association sent a questionnaire to former members who quit umpiring within the past five years. Some had umpired as little as two years and some as much as twenty. We were most interested in why those with less than ten years and particularly with those with less than three years experience had left.

The top reasons given, in order were:

1. Treatment by coaches
2. Treatment by fans
3. Expense of equipment and uniforms purchase and replacement.
4. Getting time off work to make HS games
5. Slow rate of promotion
6. Expense of travel
7 Increased amount of training expected by the assocation.
8. "Politics"/issues with assignments
9. "No longer enjoyable/fun"
10. Family issues

Unfortunately it is countrywide. But look at the list.
1,5,7 and 8 are all directly tied to the experience level of the officials. 2 and 9 can be tied to training to a point.
If newer officials don't want to train then their mechanics will never get better ad their game management will never get better. This is a direct cause to coach and fan abuse.

Newbie here so PLEASE no screaming. (I LOVE this little icons!)

Is it fair to scream and yell at an umpire because she is not perfect?
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Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Brenda:
quote:
Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:

Recently my association sent a questionnaire to former members who quit umpiring within the past five years. Some had umpired as little as two years and some as much as twenty. We were most interested in why those with less than ten years and particularly with those with less than three years experience had left.

The top reasons given, in order were:

1. Treatment by coaches
2. Treatment by fans
3. Expense of equipment and uniforms purchase and replacement.
4. Getting time off work to make HS games
5. Slow rate of promotion
6. Expense of travel
7 Increased amount of training expected by the assocation.
8. "Politics"/issues with assignments
9. "No longer enjoyable/fun"
10. Family issues

Unfortunately it is countrywide. But look at the list.
1,5,7 and 8 are all directly tied to the experience level of the officials. 2 and 9 can be tied to training to a point.
If newer officials don't want to train then their mechanics will never get better ad their game management will never get better. This is a direct cause to coach and fan abuse.

Newbie here so PLEASE no screaming. (I LOVE this little icons!)

Is it fair to scream and yell at an umpire because she is not perfect?


It is never OK to scream at an umpire, no matter the experience level. Give us a instance and maybe we can help.
Rememeber, if you kick a rule, get together with your partner and try to fix it. If the coach doesn't like a judgement call then he needs to go back to the dugout.

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