If you have the cell# of a RC that has showed interest but you didn't get it directly from the coach, would you still call him to see where you are on their list? Not sure how the coach would take it, and don't want to risk running them off.
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It depends on how you have been communicating otherwise and where those discussions stand currently. If you haven't gotten fairly far down the road mutually, "where am I on the list" isn't yet an appropriate question regardless of the means or contact number, IMO. If you have had success communicating via another means, you might as well stick to that other means unless there has been some disruption or other issue with communication.
I think we would need to know more about where you are at in the process with the school/RC to advise beyond that.
All communication up until now has been through our travel coach for the most part and they called the HS coach in the beginning. My son is a 2019, so now he can talk directly to the coach. It would be easier to communicate his updated schedule for this fall and try to find out what events they would be able to come to. The back and forth with the travel coach and the RC is a pretty slow process. Trying to speed the process up while also trying to find out if we're wasting our time or not with this school. This is my son's top school.
Son did a showcase in late July at the schools campus and they liked what he had done. Lot's of phone calls and questions. Wanted to see him play in a game, but we had already stopped playing as a team for the summer. They asked for his fall schedule at that time. We sent the schedule 2 weeks ago and asked what events they would come to to make sure he was ready. Haven't heard anything back since then. I know they are getting going in school right now, but it would be helpful to know if they're still interested and which events they could come to. He's not planning on going to all the events that the team is doing.
Call, call, call!!! Most likely it will go to voice mail.
Now having said that:
Texas 2 Sons posted:All communication up until now has been through our travel coach for the most part and they called the HS coach in the beginning. My son is a 2019, so now he can talk directly to the coach. It would be easier to communicate his updated schedule for this fall and try to find out what events they would be able to come to. The back and forth with the travel coach and the RC is a pretty slow process. Trying to speed the process up while also trying to find out if we're wasting our time or not with this school. This is my son's top school.
Amen, brother.
Texas 2 Sons posted:All communication up until now has been through our travel coach for the most part and they called the HS coach in the beginning. My son is a 2019, so now he can talk directly to the coach. It would be easier to communicate his updated schedule for this fall and try to find out what events they would be able to come to. The back and forth with the travel coach and the RC is a pretty slow process. Trying to speed the process up while also trying to find out if we're wasting our time or not with this school. This is my son's top school.
Cool, so you have plenty of conversation topics to start direct dialog with. Go ahead and contact directly but use one of these topics (fall schedule, which events son will be going to, which they might be attending, etc.). I still say establish some direct dialog before going to "where am I on your board?"
Here are a few questions that my son has asked and have really helped spur on good conversations with coaches: What are you looking for in your 2019 class? How might you see me fitting in? Tell me more about the program and what you're trying to accomplish (obviously some schools are focused on CWS, others improving competitiveness, etc.)
I am not sure what division but D1 and D2 coaches are getting ready for fall practice (games) all while recruiting on the weekends and finalizing their 2018s.
I would probably wait until after the early signing period, if you haven't heard by then.
Don't ever ask where you are on the board, it's too early in the process for that.
JMO
TPM posted:I am not sure what division but D1 and D2 coaches are getting ready for fall practice (games) all while recruiting on the weekends and finalizing their 2018s.
I would probably wait until after the early signing period, if you haven't heard by then.
Don't ever ask where you are on the board, it's too early in the process for that.
JMO
This a Power 5 program. They already have 10 2019's verbally committed and only had 13 for 2017. I'm not sure why you think it's too early to find out where you are on the board. If there is something I'm not seeing then please help me understand. I'm all for advice, hence why I asked the question on here.
Texas, that info is pretty key. I still might ask the question of "It looks like you have quite a few commits already, how do you see me fitting in and how do you see me contributing?" Does your son have other offers? If so, then you're absolutely right and it's critical he knows where he stands so he can make a good decision.
He does have 1 offer so far that he got a couple of weeks ago. It's a good offer from a mid major D1, just not 1 of his top choices.
Midwest Mom I like the way you worded that last question..that would be a good approach. Thanks!
I think its too early and I agree with cabbagedad, continue with the communication through the travel coach. I don't think that your son is at that point in his relationship to ask that question, or even ask what events they will be attending. Make sure that your son continues his search.
Be patient and remember, coaches recruit the player, not the other way around.
If you feel the advice doesn't apply, by all means make the call.
I yield to TPM and Cabbage who have much more experience than I do. I think they're saying since your son hasn't directly talked to them it's too soon to ask these questions. This may be all about phasing and finesse. Maybe your son can first email video of him and a note acknowledging that he's aware of the communication with his coach and wanted to share some information directly. Then he can follow up with a call and start generally: what are you looking for from the remainder of your 2019 class? What can I do to provide you with more information about me? Can I keep in touch? Then maybe my earlier questions become more relevant once that first communication is established. But to be honest, with a Power 5 with 10 commits and only a few more to go means he probably doesn't have a ton of time to make an impression before they're done.
Is the school having a camp this fall or winter? He should go if so.
Midwest Mom,
All comments and suggestions are welcome.
It's up to the player how they wish to proceed.
However, I think players should always cast a much wider net than many do.
I would confirm with travel coach that the school is your son's #1, then ask what's status with son as a recruit. He should know where he stands, or be able to find out soon.
Texas,
You have a pm.
Thanks Midwest Mom, but there wasn't a whole lot of depth behind my viewpoint on this one... from a distance, it just seemed like a leap to go from no direct dialog (everything thru travel coach) to "where do I stand on your board". I understand the urgency. and I think you may be on to something with your direction. Maybe even tweak it a bit more and take the line of "I have an offer that I am reviewing and wanted to see if there is still interest from XYU before I make any decisions because XYU is very high on my list". I think that might produce some indication one way or another, even if by response or no response. If a positive response, then the player can start exploring more with the school where they see him fitting.
As LHFan pointed out, it would certainly make sense for the player to contact the travel coach for the latest status update before making that call, if he hasn't already.
In my experience, when a school offers, it is typically after a fair degree of direct dialog has occurred, particularly at the bigger D1 programs.
There is a lot we don't know about the level of interest from the school. For whatever reason, dialog has continued to go thru travel coach. Tex, what does travel coach say about current status and why school hasn't reached out directly?
My son never asked a coach where he was on the board. We assumed that we knew from how the recruiting was going with any given school. However, after committing, it became clear we had misjudged a couple of schools by underestimating their interest. Didn't really matter as he would have made the same choice. However, I would now say to ask once a real relationship has been established with the coach. Certainly not one of the first questions I'd ask, though.
roothog66 posted:My son never asked a coach where he was on the board. We assumed that we knew from how the recruiting was going with any given school. However, after committing, it became clear we had misjudged a couple of schools by underestimating their interest. Didn't really matter as he would have made the same choice. However, I would now say to ask once a real relationship has been established with the coach. Certainly not one of the first questions I'd ask, though.
Root, after your son committed did those other schools come back and say "we really wanted you?" Or what was it that made you think you had misjudged their interest?
2019Dad posted:roothog66 posted:My son never asked a coach where he was on the board. We assumed that we knew from how the recruiting was going with any given school. However, after committing, it became clear we had misjudged a couple of schools by underestimating their interest. Didn't really matter as he would have made the same choice. However, I would now say to ask once a real relationship has been established with the coach. Certainly not one of the first questions I'd ask, though.
Root, after your son committed did those other schools come back and say "we really wanted you?" Or what was it that made you think you had misjudged their interest?
A couple expressed disappointment they didn't have a chance to offer. After committing, my son personally called schools that had extended offers before he announced on social media. In one particular case, he tried a few times and then left a voice mail. That coach was upset that he didn't get a chance to match the offer. In reality, once he had made his decision he didn't want to seem like he was negotiating because there wasn't any offer those schools could have made that would have shook him off his decision. He was positive where he wanted to be by then.
However, if it hadn't been so solid...
Texas 2 Sons posted:He does have 1 offer so far that he got a couple of weeks ago. It's a good offer from a mid major D1, just not 1 of his top choices.
Midwest Mom I like the way you worded that last question..that would be a good approach. Thanks!
I have a 2019, do you mind if I ask what your sons measurables are. I understand if you don't.
roothog66 posted:My son never asked a coach where he was on the board. We assumed that we knew from how the recruiting was going with any given school. However, after committing, it became clear we had misjudged a couple of schools by underestimating their interest. Didn't really matter as he would have made the same choice. However, I would now say to ask once a real relationship has been established with the coach. Certainly not one of the first questions I'd ask, though.
With at least three schools, we met with HC in his office, with the board clearly visible and with my son on it. I assumed that was deliberate. No need to ask. Although one had their board written in VERY small letters.
The board should never be visible to anyone but staff.
TPM posted:The board should never be visible to anyone but staff.
On one recruiting trip with my daughter (volleyball), they brought us into HC's office and there was the board - but we weren't close enough to easily see or read names. It took a lot of discipline not to let my eyes wander LOL. Thought that was a bit odd that they would have it in plain view (although not easy to read). Daughter ended up elsewhere but i still remember that LOL.
roothog66 posted:My son never asked a coach where he was on the board. We assumed that we knew from how the recruiting was going with any given school. However, after committing, it became clear we had misjudged a couple of schools by underestimating their interest. Didn't really matter as he would have made the same choice. However, I would now say to ask once a real relationship has been established with the coach. Certainly not one of the first questions I'd ask, though.
I think it matters where you are in the process as to whether or not you "misjudged". For instance, if your kid is early in the process, let's say Sophomore, and he takes the first offer that comes along, and then some coaches contact and say they didn't get a chance; then yes, you probably went too early. If it is late in the process, senior year let's say, and then son gets a great offer and accepts; then a coach says he didn't get a chance to offer, that is complete garbage. Basically they were slow playing your boy, trying to get him for pennies on the dollar. That happened to Ryno. Many schools came back after he committed to Purdue, and asked his JC coaches what he was doing, when they knew about Ryan for years. It was too late, because he didn't have the luxury and wait to see if one of them was going to offer. Ultimately, it wound up ok, because he loves where he is at, but it would have been great to know if one of the schools out West would've been an option.
Nonamedad posted:Texas 2 Sons posted:He does have 1 offer so far that he got a couple of weeks ago. It's a good offer from a mid major D1, just not 1 of his top choices.
Midwest Mom I like the way you worded that last question..that would be a good approach. Thanks!
I have a 2019, do you mind if I ask what your sons measurables are. I understand if you don't.
5'10 170lbs SS/RHP won't turn 17 until end of May. 7.0 60, 91-Infield, 85-88 Top 90-mound, 93 exit velo tee All measurables from a PBR showcase and DBU camp in July. Hope this helps. Also sent you a PM.
