calling time on base on balls before runner reaches first

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Originally posted by Gingerbread Man:
With a runner on third and less than two out the pitcher walks unintenionally the batter. The batter-runner takes off full speed towards first in hopes that he can round first and get to second in one motion knowing that the pitcher will not risk throwing to second in fear that the run from third will break home and score. But before the runner even gets to first the opposing coach walks out and calls time.

Can time be called on a base on balls before the runner has reached first base? Or must the runner be accounted as reaching first base before time can be called?

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If time is called before he reaches first base and suddenly there is a rain delay, does the runner ever get accounted as touching first base legally?

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..runner on third and the pitcher walks the batter. The batter then runs towards first rounding the base. Before he can turn back towards his base he has just legally touched, time is called and granted. The question I have is this-

If a person is walked and they round first base all in one motion is this a situation where "play is in progress"

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and time cannot be called even though the pitcher has full control of the ball on the mound?

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Originally posted by Gingerbread Man:
In our league we have a problem that I do not know how to address. With a runner on third and less than two out the pitcher walks unintenionally the batter. The batter-runner takes off full speed towards first in hopes that he can round first and get to second in one motion knowing that the pitcher will not risk throwing to second in fear that the run from third will break home and score. But before the runner even gets to first the opposing coach walks out and calls time.

Can time be called on a base on balls before the runner has reached first base? Or must the runner be accounted as reaching first base before time can be called?

If time is called before he reaches first base and suddenly there is a rain delay, does the runner ever get accounted as touching first base legally?

I have also had problems in our league where there will be the same situation with trunner on third and the pitcher walks the batter. The batter then runs towards first rounding the base. Before he can turn back towards his base he has just legally touched, time is called and granted. The question I have is this-

If a person is walked and they round first base all in one motion is this a situation where "play is in progress" and time cannot be called even though the pitcher has full control of the ball on the mound?

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Originally posted by coach2709:

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Originally posted by Gingerbread Man:
In our league we have a problem that I do not know how to address. With a runner on third and less than two out the pitcher walks unintenionally the batter. The batter-runner takes off full speed towards first in hopes that he can round first and get to second in one motion knowing that the pitcher will not risk throwing to second in fear that the run from third will break home and score. But before the runner even gets to first the opposing coach walks out and calls time.

Can time be called on a base on balls before the runner has reached first base? Or must the runner be accounted as reaching first base before time can be called?

If time is called before he reaches first base and suddenly there is a rain delay, does the runner ever get accounted as touching first base legally?

I have also had problems in our league where there will be the same situation with trunner on third and the pitcher walks the batter. The batter then runs towards first rounding the base. Before he can turn back towards his base he has just legally touched, time is called and granted. The question I have is this-

If a person is walked and they round first base all in one motion is this a situation where "play is in progress" and time cannot be called even though the pitcher has full control of the ball on the mound?

Is it safe to assume this is Little League or some other younger type team? I have seen this done by younger kids over the years.

The best way to stop it is as soon as your catcher gets ball four he throws the ball to first base.

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So it sounds like that time really shouldn't be granted by the umpire until the batter runner has reached first and has made no attempt to run to second, is that correct?

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City ball with teenage umpires and coaches who do not know the rules is a recipe for disaster in our league. peopl have gotten in fist fights over issues regarding the lack of proper umpiring.

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:

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City ball with teenage umpires and coaches who do not know the rules is a recipe for disaster in our league. peopl have gotten in fist fights over issues regarding the lack of proper umpiring.

This is a major reason there is a shortage of people who want to become umpires........and an even bigger reason why people leave umpiring.

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Originally posted by Gingerbread Man:
Both the coaches and the umpires in our league do not know the rules very well. Just the other day I had the opposing coach get time granted to have a conference on the mound with his defense. I had runners on first and third. After he left the playing field and before play had resumed, the first baseman came back to the base hiding the ball in his mit hoping to catch my runner off the base. I told him to stay on the base- don't move an inch. The problem is that both the coach and the umpires do not realize that the ball is still dead until the pitcher has possession of the ball on his mound and the plate umpire resumes play by calling play.

After the inning was over I told the umpires that even if they had tagged my runner out at first it wouldn't of meant anything as the ball was still dead and play had not resumed. I told the plate umpire that when he calls time, he also needs to call play after that to resume the game after a dead ball. After that he always said play after the ball was dead and he was resuming play.

City ball with teenage umpires and coaches who do not know the rules is a recipe for disaster in our league. peopl have gotten in fist fights over issues regarding the lack of proper umpiring.