If a player on 2nd tags up and advances to 3rd on a fly ball, can he then steal home on an appeal play by the defense when they throw the ball to 2nd base?
If so, how is the run scored.
Thanks in advance.
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Yes, as long as the ball is live. And if the defense attempts to put him out at home, they do not lose their right to appeal since the play was initiated by the offense.
FED (and only FED) allows a dead ball appeal, so a smart defensive coach would ask for time before the appeal, preventing any advance by the runner.
FED (and only FED) allows a dead ball appeal, so a smart defensive coach would ask for time before the appeal, preventing any advance by the runner.
quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
And if the defense attempts to put him out at home, they do not lose their right to appeal since the play was initiated by the offense.
I believe that is true for NCAA and FED, but not for OBR. In OBR, the appeal must be made before any play or attempted play, regardless of who initiated it.
That's the way I understand it too.
3Finger is correct, Fed and NCAA both allow the defense to go back and get the appeal if the offense initiates a play during an appeal. In OBR you have to decide to complete the appeal or play on the runner.
In the play above the smart way to appeal in OBR is to throw to third and tag the runner. This stops his ability to advance and still gets the appeal made.
In the play above the smart way to appeal in OBR is to throw to third and tag the runner. This stops his ability to advance and still gets the appeal made.
I heard of a play (don't know if it happened or was contrived): OBR, 2 on, 2 out, batter triples but misses 1st. Time is called. Shouts of "Appeal 1st base" come from the dugout.
As soon as the PU puts the ball in play, the runner on 3rd (batter) breaks for home. F1 throws to the plate and the runner is out by a mile. BUT, a play has occurred, so the defense loses its right to appeal. The runner is out, but the 2 runs ahead of him count.
Had F1 ignored the runner and thrown to 1st for the appeal, no runs would have scored.
As soon as the PU puts the ball in play, the runner on 3rd (batter) breaks for home. F1 throws to the plate and the runner is out by a mile. BUT, a play has occurred, so the defense loses its right to appeal. The runner is out, but the 2 runs ahead of him count.
Had F1 ignored the runner and thrown to 1st for the appeal, no runs would have scored.
I don't know if that is a caseplay or an actual play but in OBR that is exactly what would happen.
I did have it happen in a college game on a first to third play. R1, ball hit to the outfield, and the R1 goes to third. The manager wanted to appeal second. The pitcher stepped off and threw to second, the runner from third took off. You could see the F4 trying to decide to touch second or throw home for the sure out at the plate. The manager was screaming to tag second which he finally did. I had nothing and the run scored. The fielders knew I would have nothing but did what they were told. The manager was the one that didn't know the NCAA rule that he could have thrown home and still go back and get the appeal. I'll leave the following discussion out but let's say he wasn't happy.
I did have it happen in a college game on a first to third play. R1, ball hit to the outfield, and the R1 goes to third. The manager wanted to appeal second. The pitcher stepped off and threw to second, the runner from third took off. You could see the F4 trying to decide to touch second or throw home for the sure out at the plate. The manager was screaming to tag second which he finally did. I had nothing and the run scored. The fielders knew I would have nothing but did what they were told. The manager was the one that didn't know the NCAA rule that he could have thrown home and still go back and get the appeal. I'll leave the following discussion out but let's say he wasn't happy.