when I read they are a good student I go back to when my friends told me a girl had a great personality. usually meant she was not the best looking girl.
PitchingFan posted:when I read they are a good student I go back to when my friends told me a girl had a great personality. usually meant she was not the best looking girl.
That brings back some painful memories.
Perhaps I'm the one who is naive, but when I read "good student" at the end of a profile, I don't think of it as damning the kid with faint praise. I take it to mean he has a decent GPA, say something above a 3.0. If it says "very good student" or "outstanding student," I figure the GPA is even higher, perhaps above a 3.75, maybe above a 4.0. Given that everyone here says that the first question to a kid out of a college coach's mouth is "What are your grades? Can I see your transcript?" this seems like information college coaches might want to see in the profile so they don't go any further with a kid that is not going to make it through the admissions office. I have seen first round draft picks with PG profiles that say good student.
I’ve also seen “good student” on a profile for a kid who I personally know is not a good student and will have trouble in college
I always read it as good student of the game.
LuckyCat posted:Perhaps I'm the one who is naive, but when I read "good student" at the end of a profile, I don't think of it as damning the kid with faint praise. I take it to mean he has a decent GPA, say something above a 3.0. If it says "very good student" or "outstanding student," I figure the GPA is even higher, perhaps above a 3.75, maybe above a 4.0. Given that everyone here says that the first question to a kid out of a college coach's mouth is "What are your grades? Can I see your transcript?" this seems like information college coaches might want to see in the profile so they don't go any further with a kid that is not going to make it through the admissions office. I have seen first round draft picks with PG profiles that say good student.
Everything is about context I guess. This is the way I usually see it used as well.
In 2017 the average unweighted high school gpa was 3.38. So an average student gets a 3.38.** Yet half of college freshmen have to take remedial level courses. A 3.0 is now a below average student. The problem is in our feel good, hurt no feelings environment kids are raised in now teachers give out A’s and B’s like candy at Halloween.
Therefore, if a kid can’t get a 3.0 in high school can his college coach expect him to survive eligibility in college given the rigorous time demands?
** Source: US Department of Education, National Center for Educational Statistics
Not to get too far off topic, but course rigor matters, a lot. A 3.5 with 13 AP courses is not the same as a 3.5 without.
RJM posted:In 2017 the average unweighted high school gpa was 3.38. So an average student gets a 3.38.** Yet half of college freshmen have to take remedial level courses. A 3.0 is now a below average student. The problem is in our feel good, hurt no feelings environment kids are raised in now teachers give out A’s and B’s like candy at Halloween.
Therefore, if a kid can’t get a 3.0 in high school can his college coach expect him to survive eligibility in college given the rigorous time demands?
** Source: US Department of Education, National Center for Educational Statistics
While I agree that a 3.0 today isn't what it was 30 years ago (or even 20 years ago), I suspect it is not a bad GPA for a D1 P5 baseball player. When Perfect Game says "good student" I think they mean safely above the NCAA's minimum 2.3 GPA to be academically eligible to play D1 sports. When they say very good or outstanding student, I think they are signaling that the kid may be able to get admission based on merit to, and maybe academic money from, a more selective or HA school.
But, I'm just guessing.
RJM posted:In 2017 the average unweighted high school gpa was 3.38. So an average student gets a 3.38.** Yet half of college freshmen have to take remedial level courses. A 3.0 is now a below average student. The problem is in our feel good, hurt no feelings environment kids are raised in now teachers give out A’s and B’s like candy at Halloween.
Don't discount the fact that it makes the teachers look good too. "I'm a great teacher! Everyone in my class buys in and excels! Just look at those grades! Everyone is an A-student."
57special posted:Not to get too far off topic, but course rigor matters, a lot. A 3.5 with 13 AP courses is not the same as a 3.5 without.
I agree. But I’ll guess the typical college baseball prospect isn’t loaded down with a lot of AP courses in high school. On the other hand based on what I read about AP courses in the Sunday paper maybe we should questions how hard they are now.
Maybe the kids are just smarter?
I would also contend that grade inflation is not all on the teachers...a lot of parents put a ton of time in after school to help their kids improve. There is a huge tutoring industry now as well, so don’t be so quick to throw out the baby with the bath water (there’s an old analogy RJM can get behind).
RJM posted:57special posted:Not to get too far off topic, but course rigor matters, a lot. A 3.5 with 13 AP courses is not the same as a 3.5 without.
I agree. But I’ll guess the typical college baseball prospect isn’t loaded down with a lot of AP courses in high school. On the other hand based on what I read about AP courses in the Sunday paper maybe we should questions how hard they are now.
Calc, Chem, Physics, US Lit, APUSH, etc...they are plenty demanding. There are a couple of weird ones like "AP Introduction to Computer Principles" that are suspect.
You're right, though. Most kids on the local HS team aren't loaded up on AP's.