I agree with TPM - there is a lot to be said for telling the truth. Meanwhile - showcase, play, and market.
Dalesgal - You are not alone. My son has a coach who never even played HS ball. He won't fill out the coaches section of questionaires and is just a pain. My son had this guy for about 5 years as he coached travel ball too. We always bit our tongue because he was the HS coach. I always watched games and it never made sense as to how the team played. Was just an odd style of play. I finally had my son play spring HS ball there and we went elsewhere for summer and fall ball. I found out one day that this guy had bench a player one year so the coaches relative could play more. Well that benched player eventually was drafted.
There are some horrible HS coaches out there. The AD's that look away are just as bad. My son is now a senior in HS. I don't know if he will play in college. Oh we get the D3's and stuff to call but the kid knows how he stacks up. If a D1 calls great if not he will walk on. I know that he has a pitching coach that has 5 players currently in the pros and within 15 minutes of seeing my son he said there is no doubt he is a D1 caliber pitcher right now. Im sure that you have considered transferring. I know we have and still do consider that. I guess make the most educated choice you can and don't look back. People truly do not understand the nightmare unless you live it.
There are some horrible HS coaches out there. The AD's that look away are just as bad. My son is now a senior in HS. I don't know if he will play in college. Oh we get the D3's and stuff to call but the kid knows how he stacks up. If a D1 calls great if not he will walk on. I know that he has a pitching coach that has 5 players currently in the pros and within 15 minutes of seeing my son he said there is no doubt he is a D1 caliber pitcher right now. Im sure that you have considered transferring. I know we have and still do consider that. I guess make the most educated choice you can and don't look back. People truly do not understand the nightmare unless you live it.
Biggerpapi.....I wouldn't worry too much about high school...even picking which of the two schools to attend....coaches change schools....never any gaurantees.
Fungo's advise is good.....My son has bat speed and quick wrists...from day one it was noticable......usually by others.....I'm still learning.....but, as you have done....we got him private instruction early on.....but we always told him.....listen to your coach...try it...if it's not working....go back and talk to the coach...it will work out...
Also...as other posters have said....most coaches are not going to try and change something that is working......from 5th grade through 12th son had roughly a dozen coaches....and none ever attempted to change his swing.....now fielding.....that's another story.....good luck to you.....I understand your concern...we always want the best for them....especially if we detect some natural ability/talent.....and one final bit of advise...be very careful about critizing or challenging coaches on this site....it's best to have all your facts in order before you commence....
.....and dalesgale 3....don't know if you are legit or not....but think you are due respect as long as you remain respectful...which you have.....best advise I think....call Tom Rizzi, "TRhit".....my son did...... and he was very helpful.....
Fungo's advise is good.....My son has bat speed and quick wrists...from day one it was noticable......usually by others.....I'm still learning.....but, as you have done....we got him private instruction early on.....but we always told him.....listen to your coach...try it...if it's not working....go back and talk to the coach...it will work out...
Also...as other posters have said....most coaches are not going to try and change something that is working......from 5th grade through 12th son had roughly a dozen coaches....and none ever attempted to change his swing.....now fielding.....that's another story.....good luck to you.....I understand your concern...we always want the best for them....especially if we detect some natural ability/talent.....and one final bit of advise...be very careful about critizing or challenging coaches on this site....it's best to have all your facts in order before you commence....
.....and dalesgale 3....don't know if you are legit or not....but think you are due respect as long as you remain respectful...which you have.....best advise I think....call Tom Rizzi, "TRhit".....my son did...... and he was very helpful.....
Thank you to all of you for your advice. Yes he will play in the Spring and he is on a summer/fall team. He contacted a couple of coaches during the Spring and was waiting to hear something. He heard from one but not from the other, makes us wonder if the one he hasn't heard from is the coach who called the HS coach. He is thinking of DIII schools, he likes how small they are and they are much closer to home. I've read about walk-ons but I'm not sure what they are. Do the schools announce them? Can you ask a coach for a tryout? He also has been going to a pitching coach regularly since this has happened so that he stays in shape and on the mound.
Tiger Paw Mom-
I would love to have gone after the coach and AD but I have another child in sports and don't want that to affect her either. I did what I thought that I could do after the fact including setting up a meeting between my son, the coach and the AD. I was told that I was not allowed at the meeting and my son told me that he could handle things. The AD tried to get him to stay with the team but told him that the coach runs the team and he does not get involved. At that point son asked for an official release from the team or he would not be able to play any sport in his high school career. Being a newbie to a board is hard
Tiger Paw Mom-
I would love to have gone after the coach and AD but I have another child in sports and don't want that to affect her either. I did what I thought that I could do after the fact including setting up a meeting between my son, the coach and the AD. I was told that I was not allowed at the meeting and my son told me that he could handle things. The AD tried to get him to stay with the team but told him that the coach runs the team and he does not get involved. At that point son asked for an official release from the team or he would not be able to play any sport in his high school career. Being a newbie to a board is hard
dalesgal,
Thinks seem to be a bit clearer now, I understand it is hard posting for the first time, trying to get your thought in, I have that often, misunderstood sometimes after how many posts!!!
I do think that you need some assistance, call TR.
TPM
Thinks seem to be a bit clearer now, I understand it is hard posting for the first time, trying to get your thought in, I have that often, misunderstood sometimes after how many posts!!!
I do think that you need some assistance, call TR.TPM
quote:There are some horrible HS coaches out there.
I coached high school for 30 years and I was around some fine baseball people. I get a little annoyed at how some paint High school baseball and coaches with a broad brush. Many times the coach is horrible because their kid did not get what the parent thought.
Later in my tenure I had a parent come up to school and verbally tell me i was a (fill in the blanks). Yelling screaming. I told him to get out of my office. he then told me I should be fired. Gave him the number of the principal and Ad and told him to give them a call. I even offered him the use of my phone.
As I said it was later. that stuff would never happen before, But today talking to colleauges who still coach it is a recurring theme.
Will would you lie about that parents son if a recruiter called ? I don't think so. That is what I find hard to believe about this situation.
I have witnessed atleast 30 times when parents interfere and it never turns out well. I watch parents coach their son from the stands and even have hand signals to tell the son what to do. The son looks up to the father for instruction instead of the coach.
There are only 2 people that know what the coach said so I am curious hoe he found out . I have seen parents revolt in Elite ball and form a new team. That team just got a taste of their own medicine and jumped ship to join a new team playing out of the same ballpark. Baeball has a way of bringing out the worst in some people. No matter how ticked I got I kept my mouth shut. I saw a pitcher one time who was getting pulled . His parents yell for him to throw the ball at the approaching coach. After a short argument the pitcher handed over the ball and stormed off throwing his glove into the duggout barely missing sgrambling players. Fortunately he slipped and slid down the 3 steps on his butt. His parents came to the screen behind the duggout and stormed off with him.
To me it is not a matter of being right or wrong. The coach is the coach and you do everything you can to be a player who the coach will play.
When you get to college you do what the coach says. Time to start learning that at HS and earlier. I know how hard it is to sit and watch others get all the playing time. My son was not happy with his playing time as freshman at college. He was not happy with when they put him in the games. Usually when they were losing and in relief or as a closer. Heck they took him out 2 times when he went in and was winning when he came out. Any competetive kid would be upset. Did he show it ? No he did what the coach told him to do. He only complained once to me and I askede him what he was gouing to do about it. We disscussed the positives and that he met several of his goals and that he did get to pitch against top teams. He told me he was going to do what it takes. He loves the guys on the team and enjoys being a part of it.He couldn't wait to get back.
I have witnessed atleast 30 times when parents interfere and it never turns out well. I watch parents coach their son from the stands and even have hand signals to tell the son what to do. The son looks up to the father for instruction instead of the coach.
There are only 2 people that know what the coach said so I am curious hoe he found out . I have seen parents revolt in Elite ball and form a new team. That team just got a taste of their own medicine and jumped ship to join a new team playing out of the same ballpark. Baeball has a way of bringing out the worst in some people. No matter how ticked I got I kept my mouth shut. I saw a pitcher one time who was getting pulled . His parents yell for him to throw the ball at the approaching coach. After a short argument the pitcher handed over the ball and stormed off throwing his glove into the duggout barely missing sgrambling players. Fortunately he slipped and slid down the 3 steps on his butt. His parents came to the screen behind the duggout and stormed off with him.
To me it is not a matter of being right or wrong. The coach is the coach and you do everything you can to be a player who the coach will play.
When you get to college you do what the coach says. Time to start learning that at HS and earlier. I know how hard it is to sit and watch others get all the playing time. My son was not happy with his playing time as freshman at college. He was not happy with when they put him in the games. Usually when they were losing and in relief or as a closer. Heck they took him out 2 times when he went in and was winning when he came out. Any competetive kid would be upset. Did he show it ? No he did what the coach told him to do. He only complained once to me and I askede him what he was gouing to do about it. We disscussed the positives and that he met several of his goals and that he did get to pitch against top teams. He told me he was going to do what it takes. He loves the guys on the team and enjoys being a part of it.He couldn't wait to get back.
Picked my daughter up yesterday from basketball practice and, just as we will today, we went to softball practice. BB asked if I noticed she was on the "gray team." I told her I did. She was very disappointed since the "red" last year denoted starters. She asked why. My response, "if you want to be on the red, work harder." Fast forward to softball practice. She practiced at SS, pitched and is currently hitting 4th in the line up. (I don't coach this team at all and it is BB's fall team not her normal team.) Practice gets over, I asked BB where did she practice? After that, I asked why. Her answer = I worked hard for this and ... I asked her to think now in terms of her teammates in basketball.
As hard as it is, I believe you have to let you kids grow up. Just_Learning started a thread on how quickly his son has grown up with regards to maturity. I know why! We do a disservice to our kids when we think that we have to intercede on their behalf all of the time. JMHO!
Will, lately, I've noticed more and more "old school coaches" getting out. These are guys that I've admired. It seems that they come under fire for "coaching style," lack of keeping up with "today's game," or parental concerns. I'm typing this knowing that it's happened to me in the past and knowing that it will happen to me again.
As hard as it is, I believe you have to let you kids grow up. Just_Learning started a thread on how quickly his son has grown up with regards to maturity. I know why! We do a disservice to our kids when we think that we have to intercede on their behalf all of the time. JMHO!
Will, lately, I've noticed more and more "old school coaches" getting out. These are guys that I've admired. It seems that they come under fire for "coaching style," lack of keeping up with "today's game," or parental concerns. I'm typing this knowing that it's happened to me in the past and knowing that it will happen to me again.
When you give your kid excuses wether it be the coach or the umpire etc you are HURTING your son. Everyone has had a bad coach. Everyone has had something go wrong. Some choose to find solutions and some choose to find excuses. The harder I work the better I get. The harder I work to find excuses the better I get at finding excuses. My son has played for alot of guys. Some have been good some have been not so good. I have never not one time said anything negative about my sons coaches around him or anyone associated with the team. Deal with it son. One day he will have to deal with things without me being around. Time to start learning how to do it in a positive and constructive manner. JMHO
Will - I am sorry to upset you but like everything in life there are some good coaches, some great coaches, a lot of decent coaches and yes some horrible coaches. As a coach of 30 years I am sure you have seen a few and asked yourself why is this guy even there. When you have one of those it can truly be a nightmare.
quote:I saw a pitcher one time who was getting pulled . His parents yell for him to throw the ball at the approaching coach. After a short argument the pitcher handed over the ball and stormed off throwing his glove into the duggout barely missing sgrambling players.
I guess horrible coaches put up with that!!!!
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To be honest the good coaches far outweighed the bad.
To be honest the good coaches far outweighed the bad.
I agree that is totally inappropriate. No a horrible coach is one that pitches a player Monday, Wednesday and Saturday and gets ticked when the kid says I'm done at 120 pitches. Later coach says I would still pitch you if you at 160 pitches on you. That is just stupidity.
I can agree there are more good than bad but there are some bad ones.
Will after everyone stopped laughing the kid was toast. Never to be seen again until a couple years later.
I actually heard the glove hitting the metal wall of a dugout and there he was. He had been pulled again.
I actually heard the glove hitting the metal wall of a dugout and there he was. He had been pulled again.
Ever heard the ol' saying " Because Nice matters " ?
Or how about this one, " Attitude is Everything ".
If the bad behavior is there, whether its from the coach or the player, its a deal breaker, bottom line. End of story.
Or how about this one, " Attitude is Everything ".
If the bad behavior is there, whether its from the coach or the player, its a deal breaker, bottom line. End of story.
It seems there are several angles on this one. Is it the "know it all" parent, the "teenage" player, or the "hardheaded" coach that cause these situations.
I, as my screen name atests, am not a know it all parent-(my son knows more). My son, though a teenager, wants someone coaching him that knows and loves the game. His select coach was this way. His HS coach (CoachB)is this way. He has firm beliefs but strives daily to learn more about the game. He teaches baseball and more importantly life lessons. I only wish more coaches did this.
If my son was put in a situation where he thought he was being instructed incorrectly, he is the one that needs to discuss the issue with the coach. It's his choice.
If my son was put in a situation where I thought he was in danger, I would discuss it with the coach first. If it continued, I would pull my son myself.
Too many parents get involved when they shouldn't in HS sports. Let the kids have fun, compete, and make their own choices.
I learned valuable lessons from my coaches in HS and college. Both my son and daughter have learned a lot from their coaches including CoachB. I also have learned a lot from CoachB.
Coaching is an important part of our kids education, but remember baseball is PART of life, not life itself.
I, as my screen name atests, am not a know it all parent-(my son knows more). My son, though a teenager, wants someone coaching him that knows and loves the game. His select coach was this way. His HS coach (CoachB)is this way. He has firm beliefs but strives daily to learn more about the game. He teaches baseball and more importantly life lessons. I only wish more coaches did this.
If my son was put in a situation where he thought he was being instructed incorrectly, he is the one that needs to discuss the issue with the coach. It's his choice.
If my son was put in a situation where I thought he was in danger, I would discuss it with the coach first. If it continued, I would pull my son myself.
Too many parents get involved when they shouldn't in HS sports. Let the kids have fun, compete, and make their own choices.
I learned valuable lessons from my coaches in HS and college. Both my son and daughter have learned a lot from their coaches including CoachB. I also have learned a lot from CoachB.
Coaching is an important part of our kids education, but remember baseball is PART of life, not life itself.