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Central Region All District Teams

peskynatspeskynatsMember
Pesky Jr and I just got back from a weekend "Junior Day" at a very fine Mid-Atlantic University. The College is inland, so we couldn't take the houseboat. As a former Central Distict player, I'm looking forward to this season's Virginia Central Region All District teams including Capital, Central, Colonial, and Dominion districts. I expect to see many, very deserving players as well as some non-deserving players. This process resembles the political pork of a Senate Bill going through Congress in our Nations Capital. Last year had some real beauties with obvious inclusions and exclusions. Head Coaches turn into politicians for a day, and praise the Lord they are not making decisions about our Federal Budget or Supreme Court justices. Congrats to ALL those players who are deserving of the award, whether they are recognized for it or not.
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Midlo DadMidlo Dad10,000+ posts
There's a certain amount of horse trading in those coaches' meetings, to be sure. But on balance, I generally find it hard to criticize the selections. Usually someone is disappointed, but to get them honored you'd have to move someone else off the list. Most of us are glad to be blameless when the news comes out.

Do remember, though, that these awards are NOT a statement of who are the best players. They are designed to recognize players who had the best seasons. If a great player was out for a while with an injury, maybe playing through an injury, or just had a slump somewhere along the line, the fact that he might not get the recognition some might have expected should, well, not be unexpected. Conversely, someone who might not be a showcaser but who swung a hot bat for a while (especially in district games where the opposing coaches got to see him) would be justly rewarded.
peskynatspeskynatsMember
luvbaseball - from my perspective it is pretty bad when there is no accountability. These coaches can make decisions any which way they want because no one is looking over their shoulders except other coaches. Is there any accountability in your area? BTW - I luv the Chesapeake area.

MidloDad - In your coach horse trading statement, which end-of-the-horse is making these decisions? I understand your message, and there is a lot of truth there. However, it becomes very evident that some coaches want to protect certain players at any cost. That results in some kids (not coaches) getting the shaft and that bothers me. As an adult I can handle it, but these are deserving kids who have worked very hard to be recognized. These are kids who's baseball future may or may not move forward because of some deal coach x made for another player coach y is promoting. Let's face it, there is a lot of promotion and self-promotion in baseball especially when it comes to recruiting and recognition awards such as this. Alot of these senior players are set for the next level. Some seniors and juniors aren't, and will be affected by these behind closed door deals. As Capt Renault stated in the backroom casino in Casablanca "I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on here!"

I'd like to see some accountability. Out of accountability, we will see more fairness and less political maneuvering. All those in favor say "I". Oh, that's right we can't change this, it has to be done by the coaches and ADs.
Midlo DadMidlo Dad10,000+ posts
I once got an e-mail from a coach who contacted me from out of the blue to let me know he had deliberately voted against my son for all district honors because I had posted something on our team web site praising one of our players, and that post was used by our coach in promoting that player for all district honors. Our guy got first team and the guy who got second team's coach decided it was all my fault and that he would show me.

You can guess which end of the horse I thought that guy was.

But he's long gone, and I got over it a long time ago.

Meaning, these things do happen, but they are rare, and I don't think we need to indict the process. All such processes end up with decisions in the hands of human beings, and we are, all of us, flawed. Our sons may as well learn to deal with that reality now.
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L Local8SS10+ posts
Since no one here appears to be a coach I wonder how anyone here really knows what goes on in the coaches meeting? I have a hard time believing that a high school coach would tell a high school parent about "horse-trading" situations, so if some of you know of specific acts that were done by all means detail them here. No "well I heard" or "I think". Name names, players, schools etc.
Accountability means a high school coach has the responsiblity to advocate for his players. I do know that in many districts the head coach will nominate his players but he is not allowed to vote for his own players. I think this whole trend is just another example of parents not getting what they think their kids deserve so they look to blame somebody else. Pesky talks about the kids getting the shaft and he can deal with it but obviously he can't or he wouldn't be posting about it here. If anyone here thinks a college coach who is paid to win bases his recruiting efforts on who made all district and who didn't you are wrong. Pesky would like to see some accountability....for example? Would you like parents be represented at the selections? I want to see and hear about specific instances of "political maneuvering".
So after all the private lessons, all the travel teams, all the showcases, all the video tapes sent out, a senior doesn't make all district at the end of the season when most recruiting is done and THAT determined why he didn't get the chance to play in college. I can hear a college coach saying in June "Son you made all district? Well by God I want you on my team" you are looking for somebody to blame in a situation where there is nobody to blame. Remember when you point your finger at others you have 3 more fingers pointing back at you!
J JMO10+ posts
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Originally posted by Local8SS:
Since no one here appears to be a coach I wonder how anyone here really knows what goes on in the coaches meeting? I have a hard time believing that a high school coach would tell a high school parent about "horse-trading" situations, so if some of you know of specific acts that were done by all means detail them here. No "well I heard" or "I think". Name names, players, schools etc.
Accountability means a high school coach has the responsiblity to advocate for his players. I do know that in many districts the head coach will nominate his players but he is not allowed to vote for his own players. I think this whole trend is just another example of parents not getting what they think their kids deserve so they look to blame somebody else. Pesky talks about the kids getting the shaft and he can deal with it but obviously he can't or he wouldn't be posting about it here. If anyone here thinks a college coach who is paid to win bases his recruiting efforts on who made all district and who didn't you are wrong. Pesky would like to see some accountability....for example? Would you like parents be represented at the selections? I want to see and hear about specific instances of "political maneuvering".
So after all the private lessons, all the travel teams, all the showcases, all the video tapes sent out, a senior doesn't make all district at the end of the season when most recruiting is done and THAT determined why he didn't get the chance to play in college. I can hear a college coach saying in June "Son you made all district? Well by God I want you on my team" you are looking for somebody to blame in a situation where there is nobody to blame. Remember when you point your finger at others you have 3 more fingers pointing back at you!


AMEN!!!!!
VirginiaPreps.comVirginiaPreps.com100+ posts
Trust me, you would not believe what goes on in some of those meetings.

I was privy to one a couple years ago (football in another region) and an outgoing coach announced at the beginning of the meeting he was not going to vote for certain kids at a certain school 'for payback' against their coach. Yes, that kind of childish behavior exists in these types of meetings. So don't put too much 'stock' in the all district selections... it is an honor, but unfortunately some coaches show up with an agenda.
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peskynatspeskynatsMember
Local8SS,

I've been privy to what goes on the last 3 years. I will not disclose details. You are very naive if you think you know what is going on.

If YOU go to ANY HS baseball games you SHOULD see talent, if know anything about baseball. "Somehow" that talent doesn't show up in the Central All District teams. There is a reason for that. I've pointed these reasons out to you. If you don't agree, I'm fine with that. Please continue to believe what you believe.

I have one playing D1 and another going to play D1 baseball (different state). I think I know what I'm talking about. I'm through with this process, but many of you are not. I'm pointing this out for your benefit, because I think it is wrong. Believe what you want to believe. Pesky out.
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L Local8SS10+ posts
We are talking about BASEBALL meetings here. I will acknowledge that football and especially basketball coaches meetings are very different. There coaches come in with agendas but that is generally not the case with baseball coaches meetings. I have been "privy" to what goes on in those meeting a LOT longer than 3 years. You don't always have the chance to vote on TALENT. You vote on how talent performed during the high school season and sometimes talent doesn't overcome the stats of sometimes lesser talented players. I will also say its sometimes obvious that some coaches come in with stats that most coaches know are not correct.
Pesky it is obvious that you are not over this situation and thats fine. Move on. Its your kids baseball career not yours and I can promise you that if you have 2 D1 players in your family that is great but making All District has absolutely nothing to do with a player getting the chance to play at the next level. No college coach is so shallow that they can't SEE talent. They don't read the newspapers to see who makes all district and then decide to recruit that kid. If you believe they do then its you that are naive.
X 3xy4me10+ posts
Well I guess we will all be finding out soon enough which players were selected for all district. I hope that everyone can be happy for the players that are picked for that honor. I'm sure most of the kids chosen will not be a surprise to most people and maybe some players will get picked that people will not expect. Surely some deserving player may be left out. But let's all be "big people" and congratulate those players who surely worked hard this year to earn the award. I hope no one will have an axe to grind and we can all move on. There are more important things in baseball and in life.
fenwaysouthfenwaysouth10,000+ posts
Midlo and Local8SS - Agreed that it is not a statement of who is the best player but players who had great seasons. I do have issue with the difference between 1st team and 2nd team, but that is really up to the coaches to figure out and "horse trade" (to use your term) is probably an accurate description. From my perspective, it is usually the top finishing teams that get their stamp on first team, and deservedly so. It is a team sport and it can be difficult to seperate the player from the team in an individual award such as this.

Pesky - I hear you. You are talking about the process, and you are fed up with it even though your time has passed. I appreciate your candor. I'm not sure what you are suggesting in terms of "accountability". I'd like to hear what your thoughts are as it sounds like you've been around the block a few times with this.
S stilllearning100+ posts
Intersteing to think about this stuff... i remember when I coached little league teams and all star time rolled around.
Coached in a couple of different leagues that had different systems.
One let the players vote and even the families of the players- the coach had the ability to over ride if someone got overlooked.

Maybe the best system ever was in Pinto baseball when the kids were 8 years old...First place team's coach got to be the head All Star coach. Assistants were head coaches from other teams.
First place team was allowed 3 then the rest were allowed 2 players up to a total of 15...usually those numbers were about right in terms of talent vs where they finished

Then I have also gone the open tryout method where coaches sent who they want then let the head all star coach do the dirty work of cutting people... saw a tryout one year where they went through 100 kids to pick 15....people were still mad!

Imagine this in our day and time...as a 12 year old our coach picked an MVP, Most Outstanding, and most improved - then awarded a trophy at the year end pick nic to thos players- they were the only ones who recieved trophies
fenwaysouthfenwaysouth10,000+ posts
Pesky,

You have a PM.

The Dominion District coaches posted their All district teams. I'm not sure where the other disticts have posted theirs....I'm still looking, if you find please post. From the Dominion Distict results, that had to be one "colorful" meeting.

As you stated earlier "Congrats to all those players who are deserving of the award, whether they are recognized for it or not". I'm looking forward to seeing the other districts as well.

http://www.dominiondistrict.co...rictBaseballTeam.pdf
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P Papelbon100+ posts
2010 First Team All Central District Baseball Team

Pitcher – Chris King – Sr. – Dinwiddie
Pitcher – Bryan Bierlein – Sr. Matoaca
Catcher – Cain Allin – Sr. Prince George
First Base – Forrest Lodge – Sr. – Matoaca
Second Base – Nick Christopher – Jr. – Dinwiddie
Third Base – Michael Howerton – Sr. – Matoaca
Shortstop – Chris King – Sr. - Dinwiddie
Outfielders – Austin Kilbourne - Sr. - Matoaca
Bill Cullen – Sr. – Thomas Dale
Kyle Barwick – Sr. – Dinwiddie
Utility – Nick Christopher – Jr. – Dinwiddie
DH – Mike King – Jr. – Prince George

Player of the Year – Chris King – Sr. – Dinwiddie

Coach of the Year – Shawn Wynn - Dinwiddie


2010 Second Team All Central District Baseball Team

Pitcher – Bill Cullen – Sr. – Thomas Dale
Pitcher – Andy Runion – Sr. – Prince George
Catcher – Nathan Chamberlin – Soph. - Matoaca
First Base – Daniel Bridgeman – Soph. - Dinwiddie
Second Base – Ben Smith – Sr. - Mataoca
Third Base – Brandon Cooper – Sr. - Meadowbrook
Shortstop – Logan Walker – Sr. - Matoaca
Outfielders – Ryan Moore – Sr. – Thomas Dale
Andy Runion – Sr. – Prince George
David Johnson – Jr. – Meadowbrook
Utility – Ryan Moore – Sr. – Thomas Dale
DH – Gabe Togna – Soph. – Thomas Dale
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