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coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
Ok I would never do this but I had an opportunity to try it tonight and just wondered what would happen.

Runner on second and there is a conference at the mound or pitching change. Basically there is a stop in play for a significant amount of time. While the new pitcher (for this situation) is taking his warm up pitches the runner on 2B comes over and talks to the 3B coach. When play resumes the runner stays at 3B instead of going back to 2B where he was originally.

What happens if someone notices before a pitch is thrown, after a pitch is thrown or after another batter has come up to the plate?

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piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
First off I have had this happen, but I was fortunate enough to notice it prior to putting the ball back in play.

The only issue here is confirming intent to cheat.....Im sure the coach would plead that it was just a mistake........

In any of the instances you offer, I am going to return the runner to his proper base and then eject at least 1 (coach) or 2 people from the game. (coach and player). No play or attempted play legitimizes cheating.

And in my mandatory ejection form as required by the PIAA, I would record the reason as cheating under rule 8-3-article 1 G. "commit any unsportsmanlike act to include

4. Behavior in any manner not in acccordance with the spirit of fair play.

Glad to hear you wouldnt do it.....I take a real dim view of cheating and my memory is very long.....

Just my .02
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coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by piaa_ump:
First off I have had this happen, but I was fortunate enough to notice it prior to putting the ball back in play.

The only issue here is confirming intent to cheat.....Im sure the coach would plead that it was just a mistake........

In any of the instances you offer, I am going to return the runner to his proper base and then eject at least 1 (coach) or 2 people from the game. (coach and player). No play or attempted play legitimizes cheating.

And in my mandatory ejection form as required by the PIAA, I would record the reason as cheating under rule 8-3-article 1 G. "commit any unsportsmanlike act to include

4. Behavior in any manner not in acccordance with the spirit of fair play.

Glad to hear you wouldnt do it.....I take a real dim view of cheating and my memory is very long.....

Just my .02


That is about what I tought would happen. There is no way I would ever consider using it but last night the situation happened and when my runner was heading back to second I really believed I could have done it. Nobody was really paying any attention.

To me that is a huge risk just to get one base. Granted he could score on a sacrifice fly but that is not worth being ejected - especially if the player is one. I can handle being ejected but it's not fair for a kid to lose part of a game and another game (mandatory sit one game in KY) for a bad decision on my part.

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R RPD100+ posts
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To me that is a huge risk just to get one base. Granted he could score on a sacrifice fly but that is not worth being ejected - especially if the player is one.



And hopefully you can see the risk as being much greater than that. Doing such a thing would send the unspoken message to ALL your players that it's OK to cheat. Many of them would likely end up passing along that same message to players they may coach. The actions of a coach speak louder than his words -- you'd never know how many kids you would have affected (or infected) in this particular situation.

Congrats for doing the right thing. This was more than a baseball situation -- it was a real life situation.
coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
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Originally posted by RPD:
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To me that is a huge risk just to get one base. Granted he could score on a sacrifice fly but that is not worth being ejected - especially if the player is one.



And hopefully you can see the risk as being much greater than that. Doing such a thing would send the unspoken message to ALL your players that it's OK to cheat. Many of them would likely end up passing along that same message to players they may coach. The actions of a coach speak louder than his words -- you'd never know how many kids you would have affected (or infected) in this particular situation.

Congrats for doing the right thing. This was more than a baseball situation -- it was a real life situation.


Thank you RPD and you have no idea how true it is. Yesterday in class I had the runner as a student and he asked me about what would happen if he would have stayed at third like I asked about. So apparantly this young man saw the same situation and thought about it over the night.

Thankfully I had the answer about being ejected by asking the question already in hand.

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