Here it is, hot off the presses: https://twitter.com/CIFSS/status/824307047550201857
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Those numbers are really good....really like the 110 instead of the 125 we have here in Ohio. Also the 90 for freshman and JV is a good idea. Not sure I understand the 30 outs part of it. If a guy throws a 7 inning no-hitter (21 outs) on 75 pitches on Monday, he's required to rest two days meaning he could come back Thursday. According to this he can only throw 3 innings (9 outs) regardless of pitch count on Thursday because he would be at 30 outs in calendar week.
Buckeye 2015 posted:Those numbers are really good....really like the 110 instead of the 125 we have here in Ohio. Also the 90 for freshman and JV is a good idea. Not sure I understand the 30 outs part of it. If a guy throws a 7 inning no-hitter (21 outs) on 75 pitches on Monday, he's required to rest two days meaning he could come back Thursday. According to this he can only throw 3 innings (9 outs) regardless of pitch count on Thursday because he would be at 30 outs in calendar week.
Buckeye, that's a legacy rule. The old rule (in black in the above text) was just outs based (30 outs) with no pitch count . . . so, yes, I suppose if he is super-efficient it could further limit him . . .
I agree about the frosh/JV limit. I also like that they have made crystal clear how a day of rest is defined.
I guess it's fair to assume that all sections in CA will follow. Nothing on process and enforcement though. That's the interesting part.
Regarding process, it's suggested here that schools will purchase pitch count signs (but they are not required to) and that violations could lead to forfeits:
JCG posted:I guess it's fair to assume that all sections in CA will follow. Nothing on process and enforcement though. That's the interesting part.
They just might be following NFHS or they might be waiting. CIF-SS was pro active because they feared having legislatures step in and make a law like they did with contact for football. If I am correct CIF-SS did not HAVE to do this until next year.
NFHS mandated that every HS organization have a pitch count in place before this spring season starts....so I'm assuming you'll be hearing a lot about it in the coming weeks.
Gotta love the quote from the coach blaming "incompetent parents"! LOL
2019Dad posted:Gotta love the quote from the coach blaming "incompetent parents"! LOL
That is interesting... although, I guess in his defense...
Of the best four P's we've had in recent years, three of the dads would and often did make it known that they thought their kid should be rolled out again after an earlier-in-the-week start in order to "save the team". The staff put far more concern and restrictions than the parents of these college bound P's.
What? They threw a pen with a P instructor the day before a start? You're supposed to keep us informed of... Dad - "he's a bulldog, he can handle it".
And, yes, I have certainly seen coaches abuse. Heck, I even learned the hard way once that my players keeping pitch counts weren't always "attentive".
Also, that article is incorrect... says a P can only throw 110 pitches in a week. 110 Monday, he can come back Friday for another start. He could even throw another 110 if he was wild and didn't reach his outs limit. Not sure that part is ideal.
These rules look too generous. So a kid can throw 70-75 pitches (plus his warmup and between inning throws) and come back in on two days rest to chuck another 35-40? And then do the same thing the following week, and the next, and the next....I think the overall pitch count number specified in a week is appropriate for the innings length of a regulation high school game, but the mandated rest periods are off-base.
There's a well-debated theory in the D3 college baseball world as to why cold weather schools dominate as national champions, and the theory is that because since they often have severely compacted regular season schedules, due to snow, etc., and playing upwards of 5 or even more games per week at times, they are by nature forced to develop a much deeper pitching staff, which serves these schools come regionals and D3 college world series time. It is a theory that carries a lot of weight.
Frankly, I think this would be a welcome addition to HS baseball, where teams need to develop robust "staffs" in order to win their league and go deep in CIF playoffs, instead of relying on a couple studs to carry the entire load.