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TRhitTRhit10,000+ posts
I recently contacted the NCAA committee, one of the members is President of a local Division I university, regarding the latest baseball regulations.

I just received a response today in the form of a personal 4 page email from the NCAA committee.

My inquiry was with regard to the 25% makeup for scholarships.

Here is what I got:

"The current financial aid model was amended to include a miniumum equivalency value ( percentage of full grant including all countable aid) of 25 pervent and a maximum limit of 27 counters ( number of baseball student-athletes receiving aid). In addition institutions would be limited to a maximum of 35 baseball student-athletes on their roster, regardless of their source of financial aid, which must be determined the day before the start of the season".


In addition " It should be noted that the committee that developed this financial aid model was composed of individuals representing baseball programs with widely varying financial aid funding levels and this group gave serious consideration to the implications for fully funded and non fully funded programs. Each institution will have to evaluate its own financial aid siutation and discuss ways to adhere to the legislation given their unique corcumstances and competitive goals".


Further clarification:

" the 25% may consist of athletics and other countable financial aid ( e.g. some types of institutional aid, some types of outside scholarships) and each student athlete's aid package would need to be reviewed carefully by institutional personnel charged with that responsibility. because baseball remains an equivalency sport under the new rules, many of the same recruiting and competitive challenges will exist that have been there in the past for those schools that have chosen not to provide full scholarship funding to their baseball programs. The only change is that coaches will be required to ensure that each student athlete receiving countable aid receives the committment from the institution of 25% of a scholarship."

I thank the NCAA for its prompt response and very defined explanation.


I hope this helps you all
TRhit THE KIDS TODAY DO NOT THROW ENOUGH !!!!! www.collegeselect-trhit.blogspot.com
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J JT1,000+ posts
This looks to me like a "Salary Floor" in which schools must meet...and "could" even the playing field a bit and force schools that, in the past, funded only 30-50% of scholly limit to jack up the commitment. Either that...or they will have to get very creative with financial aid and institutional aid outside that from athletics.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
quote:
Originally posted by TRhit:

Further clarification:

" the 25% may consist of athletics and other countable financial aid ( e.g. some types of institutional aid, some types of outside scholarships) and each student athlete's aid package would need to be reviewed carefully by institutional personnel charged with that responsibility. because baseball remains an equivalency sport under the new rules, many of the same recruiting and competitive challenges will exist that have been there in the past for those schools that have chosen not to provide full scholarship funding to their baseball programs. The only change is that coaches will be required to ensure that each student athlete receiving countable aid receives the committment from the institution of 25% of a scholarship."



TR,
Thanks but I have a question. The first sentence says the 25% may consist of athletics and other financial aid countable aid.
What is "countable" aid? Academic $$ is countable aid?
OLDSLUGGER8OLDSLUGGER81,000+ posts
Sounds to me like 25% is based on:

Baseball grants
Institutional needs-based grants
Academic monies not exempt from the 3.5/STDscore

SO.............

Academic aid that is exempt is non-countable aid, meaning the coach needs to fess up more baseball money to arrive at 25%.

SO.............the 25% can be construed as ALL BASEBALL MONEY.

11.7/30 leaves 4.2 to allocate.

Baseball ONLY.....TPM was right at the start Wink

"Further clarification:

" the 25% may consist of athletics and other countable financial aid"

1. Athletics aid always counted toward equivalency
2. Institutional needs-based always counted toward the 11.7
3. Non-exempt and other outside sports related always counted.

It is 25% countable period, baseball and equivalent monies...........it all comes from 2 buckets of the instituiton, and maybe the Legion Hall, or Kiwanas, or some other outside joint..........

NOTHING has changed regarding the definition of COUNTABLE.......just read the Bylaws and the pretty chart they have
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B btbballfannumber1100+ posts
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Originally posted by Florida Baseball Guy:
Academic funds have always been countable unless the players has either a 3.5 unweighted GPA, or an 1100 on the SAT (check that number), or in the top 10 percent of their class.



so let's say the above applies......and the player does meets that above criteria and his aid is then non-countable aid.


quote:
The only change is that coaches will be required to ensure that each student athlete receiving countable aid receives the committment from the institution of 25% of a scholarship.


so then.............

a player meeting the non-counter criteria could receive non-countable aid and there would be NO 25 percent minimum required period.........

correct?

if they meet the non-counter criteria, then there is no minimum aid requirement period?

i get a little confused about all this
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S switchitter100+ posts
Couple questions (i'm learning here). Could someone explain "3.5 unweighted GPA"? Also, are you saying that if someone has a 3.5+ GPA, they are automatically entitled to academic monies from certain universities? And then further, those academic monies would be exempt from the 25% baseball monies and therefore "stacked" into a nice package somewhere above and beyond the 25%?
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OLDSLUGGER8OLDSLUGGER81,000+ posts
If a student-athlete "qualifies" for exception-based academic monies, they would not count against the team equivalency if awarded, but accumulate toward the individual limts. The application for admissions usually also doubles as the application for university scholarships.

Outside scholarships based on academics and not athletically based do not count toward the team equivalency but accumulate toward the individual limts.

If the coach recruits and an NLI is signed, he is a counter, and will receive an additional 25% minimum baseball grant.

The total package, in a nutshell can not exceed the individual limit based on COA, and now appears that if the dollars total exceeded the limit, academic money would be reduced first.

I would venture to say that a coach would try to convince anyone he is recruiting with a 3.5 or better to be a non-counter/ non NLI player.

Remember, the maximum counters are 30, then 27. Nobody is saying a roster could include 20 counters and 15 non-counters??
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CPLZCPLZ1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by switchitter:
Couple questions (i'm learning here). Could someone explain "3.5 unweighted GPA"? Also, are you saying that if someone has a 3.5+ GPA, they are automatically entitled to academic monies from certain universities? And then further, those academic monies would be exempt from the 25% baseball monies and therefore "stacked" into a nice package somewhere above and beyond the 25%?


3.5 unweighted GPA is a GPA based on a 4 point scale without adding or subtracting weight to it from AP, Honors, or other weighting systems.

It is used to determine whether the player can qualify for academic aid, without that aid being counted against baseball monies. In short, if the coach was offering a 25% scholarship, and the student did not exceed the minimum thresholds for academic aid, then any additional aid would be counted against the baseball budget and take away from the coaches pool of scholarship money available.

On the other hand, if the student exceeded any one of the miniumum thresholds, 3.5 GPA, top 10% of class, 105 ACT, (unsure of the SAT #), then the academic aid he recieves is seperate from the baseball scholarhip and doesn't count against the coaches pool of 11.7 available scholly's.
S switchitter100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by CPLZ:
3.5 unweighted GPA is a GPA based on a 4 point scale without adding or subtracting weight to it from AP, Honors, or other weighting systems.


ok, pretty much all high schools have honors/AP classes that a ton of students take. So to clarify, help me with this:
On a 4.0 scale: (this would be pretty typical scale)
A+ = 4.00
A = 3.66
A- = 3.33
B+ = 3.0 and so on......

so if someone is taking an honors course and receives a B+ (which on the honors scale is the same as an A- 3.33).....then what you are saying on the unweighted scale is that it would be a 3.00 instead of a 3.33?? I don't think that would make much sense. Weighted classes award the student for taking a harder course and you're saying the unweighted GPA takes that back away from the student. I'm sure I am misinterpreting this somewhere. Please clarify because High Schools only have one GPA for the student I believe, they don't have two (one for weighted and one for unweieghted)....or do they?
CPLZCPLZ1,000+ posts
Don't ask me to make sense of the NCAA's decision, like TR is known to say, "it is, what it is, deal with it".

In our HS, both grades are on the report card, weighted and unweighted, and both GPA's calculated. The HS uses the weighted for determining class rank, but the NCAA uses unweighted to determine academic aid eligibility.
F 3FingeredGlove1,000+ posts
switchitter,

In California, the UC system uses a 4 point scale for regular classes and and adds 1 for AP and some honors classes. So if a student took all AP courses, and received an A+ for all of them, he would have 5.0 GPA weighted.

Both are reported (actually one of my sons seems to have 5(!) GPAs listed on his report card). Some colleges look at the unweighted GPA and others use the weighted. As said above, the NCAA uses unweighted; generally only core courses are considered-- your child's PE grade isn't very important.
S switchitter100+ posts
quote:
your child's PE grade isn't very important.


The PE class does get included in the GPA. Unless the colleges remove it and then re-calculate GPA.

But back to the weighted and unweighted. I've never seen a GPA on the report card much less weighted and unweighted GPA. I know, kind of weird but getting GPA is like getting blood out of a turnip. even the internet access system doesn't have GPA. But back to the Weighted vs. Unweieghted. Which one tends to be lower?
B brod100+ posts
OK - let's see if I understand the "clarification."

A kid who signed a NLI and is now attending college and receives a university grant which is non-academic (based on financial need) is a "counter" up to the amount of his grant, as long as it doesn't exceed 100% of his total tuition when combined with his baseball money.

Does that player then have the same "security" from being cut as a player who receives the same amount of money but all in baseball money?

I seem to recall some language on the NLI which states that you can take the NLI and the baseball money but not both if you get a need based grant which exceeds the amount of the scholarship.

Or am I comparing apples and oranges?
OLDSLUGGER8OLDSLUGGER81,000+ posts
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Originally posted by brod:
OK - let's see if I understand the "clarification."

A kid who signed a NLI and is now attending college and receives a university grant which is non-academic (based on financial need) is a "counter" up to the amount of his grant, as long as it doesn't exceed 100% of his total tuition when combined with his baseball money. OK

Does that player then have the same "security" from being cut as a player who receives the same amount of money but all in baseball money? I would say field play performance

I seem to recall some language on the NLI which states that you can take the NLI and the baseball money but not both if you get a need based grant which exceeds the amount of the scholarship.

BINGO, If BOTH COUNT AND BOTH COMBINED EXCEED COACHES BUDGET

Or am I comparing apples and oranges?
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