Classic molds of position body type still valid?

According to Recruiting Realities and Jack Renkens the Avg D1 Catchers are.....

 

Height: 6'1

Weight: 200

Pop Time: 1.95 and below

 

Doesn't say anything about Stats

I guess my question is....how long have those been the stats?  Are these things updated?  Is there a website that tracks per year the stats of people signed to D1 vs D2 colleges?

Just remember that your son is not the average! Individual skills always trump averages.

Sorry, but I have to laugh when I see 6'1 200.  So of half of all the catchers were less than that size and half were bigger than that size... What does that size tell us?  Good thing they didn't show that to Pudge. 

 

It is important to be strong, have a good arm, be tough, be talented, be able to hit, etc.  The average being 6'1 200 just doesn't mean much.

PG Staff....if only SOMEONE had stats on players prior to College, and the data to say which college they went to and could give us poor uneducated parents real time stats on what the TRUE average is....

 

HINT HINT!!!!

 

:-)

CaCo....stats don't mean a whole lot.  I have a catcher that PG knows about and he has yet to hit over .300 and he is going to D1 to play and is being discussed as a top 10 round draft pick.  They want to see what type of tools you possess.

       
       


Stats are everything.  However I agree that they also need to be scrutinized.  Perhaps this catcher is playing on a national type team facing great pitching day in and day out.  Never having hit .300 under those circumstances is not necessarily a deal breaker.  Or maybe its another stat that makes him so recruitable.  Maybe he has a 1.85 pop time.  These are also statistical data.  But whatever it is there is a data based or statistical reason they are heavily recruiting this player.  So I think what you mean to say is that no one stat or piece of data by itself is everything.  But stats and data are everything when taken as a whole picture.

These threads tend to go on and on and I tend to stay out of them, but ground some of those less experienced, college coaches and pro scouts rate players based on "tools" size has some impact in their decision, but they are looking for tools! As a parent (CaCO3Girl), your son is the size he is so don't worry about what you can not change. 

 

For those not familiar with the rating system, this is one of the better pieces I have seen on the scale for baseball players and might help some get an idea on how and what they are looking for and why.

 

http://www.baseballexaminer.com/FAQs/scouting_faq.htm

 

My son now a college Sr and a physical specimen at 6'4" 220, is still playing college ball while some of his shorter/smaller/less mold fitting friends have done the 3 yr-D1-get-drafted-route and are now working their way up the pro ladder.  Why? They got the "tools".

I will agree with you to a certain extent.  I was mainly I was discussing Offensive stats.  If I told you I had a kid going D1 and possibly a tope 15 round draft pick and I asked you to guess his batting average you would not say anything that starts with a 2.  Primarily that is what I am talking about.  I take an active roll in my players recruiting process.  I have never had a coach ask what his batting average was.  Now if you want to start talking about G2G time and stuff like that, yes. 

Thank you BOF...my 12 year old is already 5'5 so I think we will be okay, but thank you :-)

 

It's amazing to think how many different paths there are to success in the baseball world.

I predict with the elimination of home plate collisions the ideal body type for catcher will evolve from a thick/strong frame to a more athletic body type.  Why would you want a big slow player when you don't need to have that - assuming arm, receiving/blocking skills, bat are equivalent.

       
       


May be a lot of truth to this.   But with or without the new rules I think sooner or later we were going to come to the conclusion that the catcher really needs a big arm and cat like movements.  May indeed be easier to find this in a more athletic frame.  Time will tell.  But I like the prediction

Boy I hope you are right for the sake of my 5'9" son

There are stats like batting average, stolen bases, HRs, strike outs, etc.  they are an important part of baseball.

 

But if we want to compare players that live on opposite coasts, those kind of stats are meaningless.  Even meaningless if they play at different levels within their own state. Those stats depend on two things, the player and the players competition.

 

So when it comes to scouting and recruiting evaluations the number (stat) regarding stolen bases or caught stealing means very little.  Those stats tell me what the player did at the previous level.  However, the players Home to First or 60 yard time are much more revealing.  Those times/stats tell me who is most likely to be successful at the next level.

These numbers do not depend on the competitive level.

 

Stats don't always relate to college or professional success, but tools usually do!

I see this as a possibility as well. At the MLB level though, it has become a hitter's position and a power hitting position. I love Evan Gattis, but he needs to be a 1st baseman or DH. I think he hurts you less defensively in LF where he played a lot last year than catcher. Of course, it seems that there is no end to the 6'3"+ athletic and fast players at that level at all positions.

We want Pedroia to be taller but I guess he will do!