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M Maverick0714500+ posts
I witnessed the most classless act by a coaching staff and unpire crew in over 41 years.

The opposing team is batting with 2 outs. Hitter flys out to center field and in disgust throws his bat. The bat struck the catcher directly in the face breaking his jaw. I observed the 3rd base coach (head coach) witness the incident, put his head down and walk to the dugout. According to the pitching coach for the catcher's team the 1st base coach did the same thing. Neither coach went out to the injured player to see if he was ok.

In the mean time the catcher's coach confronted the umpires because the player who threw the bat was not ejected immediately from the game. The umpires both stated they had not seen the incident even though the homeplate umpire was within 5 feet. The player that threw the bat was allowed to go back out and continue to pitch.

If the two umpires amazingly did not see anything I will not argue with that. My problem is:

Both opposing coaches saw it happen and did nothing.

Neither coach came out to check on the player

Opposing fans never clapped as the player left the field for the hospital.
The player that threw the bat did not intentionally throw the bat at the catcher but he did intentionally throw the bat. He should have been ejected by his own coaches if not the umpires.

I know some of you have probably seen worse but for me it the most gutless act by player, umpires, coaches and opposing fans I have ever witnessed.
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LF Lamar Fan 08100+ posts
Maverick...

Wait a minute...I was at that game and you are full of **** right now...The batter flipped the bat backwards. We both agree that it wasn't intentional...So why would the kid get tossed by the umpires. The bat was not thrown. He flipped it backwards...I feel terrible for the catcher but it was an accident. Is there any difference in a kid sliding into second base hard to break up a double play and breaking the ankle of the shortstop...Accidents happen in all sports and injuries happen. Am I sorry it happened absolutely.

Now as far as the coaches. I don't think the Lamar coaches realized what really happened until they saw him on the ground for a few seconds. Then it triggered that they need to check on him...Your coaches didn't just rush out of the dugout either. I don't think anyone quite new the seriousness of the incident. I know everyone I talked to felt bad about the players injury but your fans didn't clap either. I think everyone was in shock and just trying to figure out what was going on.

So before you start talking class make sure you get the story straight when you spread it to the world.
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O OldDude500+ posts
I wasn't there and don't have a dawg in this but it seems to me that if it broke the kid's jaw it was more than a gentle flip of the bat.

On a related note several years ago I was at a freshman scrimmage (you know the ones where the catchers call balls/strikes) and after a marginal called third strike the batter turns, exchanges words with the catcher, and then pops the catcher with a pretty good right hand to the face. The coaches didn't do anything there either.
M Maverick0714500+ posts
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Originally posted by Lamar Fan 08:
Maverick...

Wait a minute...I was at that game and you are full of **** right now...The batter flipped the bat backwards. We both agree that it wasn't intentional...So why would the kid get tossed by the umpires. The bat was not thrown. He flipped it backwards...I feel terrible for the catcher but it was an accident. Is there any difference in a kid sliding into second base hard to break up a double play and breaking the ankle of the shortstop...Accidents happen in all sports and injuries happen. Am I sorry it happened absolutely.

Now as far as the coaches. I don't think the Lamar coaches realized what really happened until they saw him on the ground for a few seconds. Then it triggered that they need to check on him...Your coaches didn't just rush out of the dugout either. I don't think anyone quite new the seriousness of the incident. I know everyone I talked to felt bad about the players injury but your fans didn't clap either. I think everyone was in shock and just trying to figure out what was going on.

So before you start talking class make sure you get the story straight when you spread it to the world.


I have the story exactly the way it happened. You can't flip a bat and do the damage that was done to that players jaw. I witnessed several players that flipped the bat from the batters box all the way to the brick wall. Thats a good 50 ft. I guess we have a difference of opinion in what a flip is vs flinging the bat in anger.

The difference between you and me was I was watching the reaction of the batter after he flied out. You were watching the ball being caught. Therefore; you didn't see what happened as others were probably doing the same thing.


I can tell you one thing... If the roles were reversed and that would have been my son who threw the bat, I guarantee that he would not have played another inning of that game and possibly the next. And I wouldn't be on here posting "oh well injuries happen"
LF Lamar Fan 08100+ posts
Wait a minute...I am not posting "Oh well injuries happen" statements at all. You haven't read any of my posts have you because in the post that you coppied and pasted I talked about I am truly sorry you catcher was hurt and how the parents at Lamar felt terrible...So don't go putting words in my mouth that aren't true.

I guess you and I were the only ones in the stands that watched the batters reaction leaving the box. I saw his reaction as well. He didn't fling his bat 50 feet. He flipped it backwards just like I said he did. Now do I agree with bat throwing, absolutely not, but SL was not looking backwards when he released the bat. That is how we, you and I, know it wasn't intentional.

Now, hopefully we can agree that injuries happen in sports, even baseball. That was the point I was making. I wasn't making light of the injury at all. I hope it didn't finish his season.
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LF Lamar Fan 08100+ posts
Hey the kid is not my son...If he was he would be apologizing...

Just for you, I will go back and the check the official score book.

Not making excuses for anyone, I just don't think some know it all parent should come on here and lump all Lamar parents, coaches and players into the classless category.

Not because I think I have to justify my actions or pump myself up, but after the game standing down by the concession stand, I congratulated every Mansfield player that walked by on a good game and season. So I guess that is classless as well.
M Maverick0714500+ posts
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Originally posted by Lamar Fan 08:
Hey the kid is not my son...If he was he would be apologizing...

Just for you, I will go back and the check the official score book.

Not making excuses for anyone, I just don't think some know it all parent should come on here and lump all Lamar parents, coaches and players into the classless category.

Not because I think I have to justify my actions or pump myself up, but after the game standing down by the concession stand, I congratulated every Mansfield player that walked by on a good game and season. So I guess that is classless as well.


Kudos for you congratulating the players. I admire that. Too bad you couldn't tell the catcher he had a good game to but he was at the hospital getting Xrays...
LF Lamar Fan 08100+ posts
Your right, I wished I could have talked to the catcher.

He was having a great game and was fun to watch. His throws from his knees reminded me of a Benito or Pudge, maybe with a little less velocity. The play where he threw out Buechele on an off-speed pitch in the first, was a great throw as he had to adjust to catching the ball behind the batter. I could go on and on. He is very talented.
TS Top Shelf10+ posts
I can say that in all the times I have coached either base that I watch the ball not the batter after he makes contact. So I wouldn't have seen it either. I find it hard to believe that both coaches were watching the bat. I can't see the field umpire seeing it at all, but the home plate umpire should have seen it.

But not coming out and looking into the fact it happened and the result caused a broke jaw isn't good of them.
M Maverick0714500+ posts
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Originally posted by Top Shelf:
I can say that in all the times I have coached either base that I watch the ball not the batter after he makes contact. So I wouldn't have seen it either. I find it hard to believe that both coaches were watching the bat. I can't see the field umpire seeing it at all, but the home plate umpire should have seen it.

But not coming out and looking into the fact it happened and the result caused a broke jaw isn't good of them.


The ball was already caught before he threw the bat and I was intentionally looking at the third base coach for his reaction.

He was looking right at the player and catcher when it happened, saw the incident, put his head down and walked to the dugout...
F funneldrill1,000+ posts
Please allow me some latitude on this thread here, but I have an important question...

how is the kid that got hit doing? Will he play this weekend or will he have to watch the playoffs from the bench? I hope he can play because I have been in the latter's shoes my senior year and believe, it is rather painful! Hopefully they can put a mask on his batting helmet and he can at least hit.
M Maverick0714500+ posts
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Originally posted by Lamar Fan 08:
MAV...

That is a flat out lie....The ball was not caught before he flipped his bat backwards. The ball was hit into the outfield and he was running to first. Did he flip the bat from first base. No!!!


You are right... From you guys perspective it was the catchers fault all the way. He should have gotten out of the way of the player throwing the bat. Shame on the catcher...
M Maverick0714500+ posts
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Originally posted by funneldrill:
Please allow me some latitude on this thread here, but I have an important question...

how is the kid that got hit doing? Will he play this weekend or will he have to watch the playoffs from the bench? I hope he can play because I have been in the latter's shoes my senior year and believe, it is rather painful! Hopefully they can put a mask on his batting helmet and he can at least hit.


Fortunately the break did not dislodge his teeth so his mouth did not have to be wired shut. He can pitch and hit (with a protective helmet) but I believe catching is out of the question for the playoffs (my opinion).

But you know how it is. Injuries happen all the time.
LF Lamar Fan 08100+ posts
funnel,

I like you hope the kid can play. He was fun to watch behind the plate and he was killing it at the plate that night.

I hate to debate over issues of an injured kid, I just feel that the facts of the situation aren't completely accurate here on this message board.

Many people saw the accident. Tons of opinions on what happened. I feel terrible for the kid and his family and hope he is playing again soon.
LF Lamar Fan 08100+ posts
MAV...

You want to talk about comical. Your replies to me are comical. It never came out of my mouth that it was the catcher's fault in any way. And injuries are apart of the game even when they accidents.

Read your comments and tell me how the player stood in the box the entire time the ball was in the air, on the way to the outfield until it was caught, and then decided to "Throw His Bat" as you put it and run to first. That is basically what you told Top Shelf how it happened.

I tried showing you respect at first but now you just don't derserve it.
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M Maverick0714500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Lamar Fan 08:
MAV...

You want to talk about comical. Your replies to me are comical. It never came out of my mouth that it was the catcher's fault in any way. And injuries are apart of the game even when they accidents.

Read your comments and tell me how the player stood in the box the entire time the ball was in the air, on the way to the outfield until it was caught, and then decided to "Throw His Bat" as you put it and run to first. That is basically what you told Top Shelf how it happened.

I tried showing you respect at first but now you just don't derserve it.


Sorry... but your lame excuses don't deserve anymore comments from me.

I will follow FD's sound advice and talk about this subject no more. You sir on the other hand can continue to embarrass yourself by attempting to make this incident into no biggie...
M Maverick0714500+ posts
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Originally posted by Joe Morgan:
MAV - What more do you want Lamar to do?? He is a fan who said he wished the kid didn't get hurt. He can't go back and change what happen. Let it go!! If anyone is being classless it is you.


Yep... that's me... Classless...

I understand that Lamar 08 is sorry that this happened. I don't doubt that for one instance. But making excuses and saying its just part of the game is what I can't live with.

Hey Joe... if you don't like me being non classy, don't read the posts...
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