Clemens, Petitte, Tejada

Talent, work ethic, they're all stars. Is there a right answer to this?

They get slandered on the internet by losers. Right?

They were all screwed by Grimsley

Despite all of this, 2 of the 3 will probably end up in the Hall of Fame, as they should.

As far as Clemens and Tejada these accusations are old news (that's 2 of 3)
Clemens and Petitte have the same trainer (that's 2 of 3)
Clemens and Petitte have the same agent (2 outta 3)
Innocent, gulity or whatever, given its past history (pretty much other than the 1919 black sox 'scandel' and pete rose) MLB will do nothing about any of this ultimately (oops, I guess that is 3 outta 3)

They were all mentioned in an article written by Lance Pugmire in the LA Times…..

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/la-sp-clemens1oct0...ry?coll=chi-news-hed

They are all not having a very good day today.

Where's Bud Selig? He promised an investigation when the Barroid Grand Jury testimont made it to book form...then he virtually vanished.

I'd seen somewhere that Clemen's comeback this year happened after 50 days had passed...I didn't count the days up, but there may be some credibility to the rumor that swirled about the Rocket getting suspended, but not publicized.

If it's true, it really stinks. And the whole time, it is a given that there are players using masking agents, non-detectable designer steroids, or Human Growth Hormone.

None of the players have tested positive (as far as we know). Innocent until proven guilty. Speculation? Sure. There are many other players I suspect had "help." But until one tests positive, or admits it (like Giambi), I will withhold judgement.

Here is my "beef" with all of this. Say a hitters name and they are instantly guilty. Some are guilty despite undergoing several drug test in their playing days. Guilty despite the fact that what they took was legal at that time and not "barred" from MLB. Guilty because their achievements broke traditional standards. However, let it be certain pitchers or, for that matter, A CERTAIN PITCHER, and now for most of our society it's innocent until proven guilty. Oh the Hypocracy!

Told recently by someone with close access to players that HGH use is quite high and players laugh at steroid testing. Only fools and minor leaguers without the $ or access to "right guy" still using the roids.
Again, no test for HGH so any players coming out and saying they're clean means nothing. Years from now the real secret to come out will be use of HGH, not the steroids. Till they test for it nobody is "clean".

dennis400, so true! We just had this converstation. Given the scenerio that you or your teammate both stand a chance to make it to the bigs. The teammate has put on 20 lbs in the offseason in muscle. You battled this past spring and held your own but now it's the off season again. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO KNOWING NO TEST EXIST FOR HGH?

Technically they are "clean"

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Originally posted by denisr400:
Again, no test for HGH so any players coming out and saying they're clean means nothing. Years from now the real secret to come out will be use of HGH, not the steroids. Till they test for it nobody is "clean".

...and nodody is dirty. It's all just polite conversation unless there is physical evidence. Heresay is just that and proves absolutely nothing. We will never really know the identity of the vast majority of offenders, imo.

This goes against logic but maybe it's time to approach this in a different light to bring them out of the closest. One time partial amnesty. If caught using a banned substance for the first time you would have your suspension reduced by 50% if you cooperate with authorities and turn on your supplier. The supplier can then negotiate with authorities by turning on others he supplied. Next offence nail them all to the wall.

Some might say that no one would turn on a "buddy". I say bull, these guys are all about money and cheated to begin with so integrity is not an attribute high on their list of values. Soon there will be fear running throught the system at the user level and thats where you want fear to reside.

Without a test for HGH, when will they ever get that first guy to rat out? Um, with million$$$ at stake the honor system doesn't appear viable, in a sport notorious for cheating going back about a hundred years including the use of a telescope to steal the sign for the pitch from Ralph Branca to Bobby Thompson to win the 1950 something World Series, to spitballs, cork bats, testing is the only recourse.

rz1....way too intelligent for MLB to put in play!

Problem is...it just might work!

I agree with TR that they are clean to this point. I also have a problem with the witch hunt mentality of reporters, networks and prosecutors. My question is how much is all this hurting the game we love. Take yesterday for example.

Three division races up for grabs, a total of six games meant something yesterday. Where was the coverage by the so called big four networks. Instead MLB was playing second fiddle to week four of the NFL, a NASCAR race and a golf tournament involving Tiger. Further, you had a catcher chasing the batting crown and a second year player chasing 60 homeruns. Is the steroid controversy and surrounding circus making the public question everything that happens and making the national pasttime, a sidenote on the sporting landscape.

Selig better figure this out quickly. I have little faith in his ability to manage this situation.

what all 3 have in common is that since they are nice to the press they will not be destroyed like barry bonds