Closer could sink Clemens

Agreed. Clemens was the template for my son's pitching mechanics. Who better to emulate than the ultimate power pitcher? It's all very disappointing.

I'm not condoning what he did. But this is basically a show trial. If we prosecuted everyone who lied to congress every legislator and lobbyist on the hill would be on trial. Surely there are worse sleazeballs they could be going after.

I just wish Clemens and Bonds would of both just admitted it like the others, and move on.We know the steroid era, it happened and most were probaably using.But just admit it.

Clemens had an opportunity to come clean, and speak the truth to Congress He declined to do either IMHO. I have very little sympathy for him at this point. What he did was his fault and no one elses. If he is proven innocent, I'm fine with that too. I'm looking forward to the trial.

I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I think Jose Conseco will be treated differently as the years go by. I have yet to find anything he said in his book to be false. Yes, he wrote the book to make money which I have no problem with. Others may view that differently. However, Conseco gets cast off as the nut job as the steroid era unfolded. He told us what was going on, nobody listened. His book really opened my eyes as to whom really has power in MLB. It is still one of my favorite baseball books written because it really turned the baseball establishment upside down. He deserves a lot more credit than he has ever received to date.

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Originally posted by fenwaysouth:
Clemens had an opportunity to come clean, and speak the truth to Congress He declined to do either IMHO. I have very little sympathy for him at this point. What he did was his fault and no one elses. If he is proven innocent, I'm fine with that too. I'm looking forward to the trial.

I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I think Jose Conseco will be treated differently as the years go by. I have yet to find anything he said in his book to be false. Yes, he wrote the book to make money which I have no problem with. Others may view that differently. However, Conseco gets cast off as the nut job as the steroid era unfolded. He told us what was going on, nobody listened. His book really opened my eyes as to whom really has power in MLB. It is still one of my favorite baseball books written because it really turned the baseball establishment upside down. He deserves a lot more credit than he has ever received to date.

I agree with everything you said about Canseco... he's still a nut job

cabbagedad,

LOL!! How about eccentric?

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Closer could sink Clemens

What closer?

Petite.

I couldn't remember if he was a closer or reliever!

Wonderful.

It looks like MORE heads will roll soon with Dr. Galea's recent arrest and having some charges dismissed with his cooperation to release names and the treatments.

A-Rod's doc

Heard something interesting today:

The prosecution wants to have Pettitte and Knoblauch testify that they had also been given steroids by the trainer.

The judge initially said this testimony would be prejudicial, since the jury should not assume that just since other players took drugs from the guy, Clemens did also.

But Clemens' defense is that the trainer set him up in order to keep the Yankees from firing him due to the allegation that hung over him of a rape charge.

In other words, the goods the trainer has on Clemens (according to this legal defense theory) was an insurance policy against the Yankees firing him.

But, oops! If that is the defense's theory, then it makes no sense at all for the trainer to have given drugs to Pettitte and Knoblauch and then have manufactured a lie about Clemens for job protection - the ONE guy who hasn't admitted to using the drugs!

So the judge allowed the testimony of Pettitte and Knoblauch. Clemens defense theory itself has resulted in allowing perhaps the most damaging evidence against him.

My thought for the day......

Is there a prison cell big enough to incarcerate Clemen's ego?

The judge will still instruct the jury that anything that the trainer did with the other players CANNOT be considered as proof of guilt on Clemens part. The question is whether they will actually listen to the instruction. I certainly wouldn't count on it.

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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
So the judge allowed the testimony of Pettitte and Knoblauch. Clemens defense theory itself has resulted in allowing perhaps the most damaging evidence against him.

The judge has declared a mistrial. There will be a hearing Sept 7, to see whether the case is to be re-tried.

I hope they just forget about the whole steroid thing and move on.