Molina coach leaves kid in to throw 158 pitches (more than half breaking balls) in a 23-4 drubbing by Frisco Centennial. What excuse can any coach have for doing this?
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quote:Originally posted by Clemson896:
Molina coach leaves kid in to throw 158 pitches (more than half breaking balls) in a 23-4 drubbing by Frisco Centennial. What excuse can any coach have for doing this?
My guess is he's a football guy who knows nothing about baseball. He probably has his guys lift weights on game day too.
Not good at all...but I've seen it before in 100 degree heat to boot...some guys have no clue.
Any idea where the parents were? At some point you have to step in...I saw a very good lefty last week pitch 4 innings on Friday night and north of 110 pitches on Saturday night. SAD
quote:He probably has his guys lift weights on game day too.
You act as if there"s something wrong with that....
Not sure there were any Molina parents there. The Centennial parents were not shy about voicing their opinion to the "coach" as the merri-go-round kept spinning......It was almost as if the coach was trying to show up the kid....he never even spoke to him as the game came to a merciful end.....Even the umpires were trying to figure out how to end the suffering but Molina was the home team so they had to let it keep going....
quote:Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
[QUOTE]He probably has his guys lift weights on game day too.
Does anyone think at some point it is unreasonable to ask the parents to coach the Coach?
As a parent, I place a lot of trust in my coaches. As a freshman parent I have been conditioned to not approach coaches...other than with a hardy hand shake or back pat for a job well done durning a tourney win. Anything else wreaks(sp) of a parent attempting to manipulate,second guess or dictate what the coaches are doing. Obviously there can be a little more dialogue than what I am suggesting but to expect a parent of a pitcher, in game, to come over and tell coach to pull his kid is unreasonable. Will a parent do it...should a parent do it as the ultimate protector of his kid...YES....but the coach should absolutely not put parents in this position...not just the position of over pitching a kid which is bad enough but then fully expecting the parent to come over and put a stop to it. Parents place a lot of trust in you guys, as you well know and deserve, but the parents and young men also desere the respect of not gettin sacrificed on the alter of a preseason tourney win. Leaving it to the athletes, IMO, is not ideal either. Now some would say they know their bodies better than anyone else but when a coach leaves it to them, with a high pitch count, they may well feel obligated to "take one for the team".
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As a parent, I place a lot of trust in my coaches. As a freshman parent I have been conditioned to not approach coaches...other than with a hardy hand shake or back pat for a job well done durning a tourney win. Anything else wreaks(sp) of a parent attempting to manipulate,second guess or dictate what the coaches are doing. Obviously there can be a little more dialogue than what I am suggesting but to expect a parent of a pitcher, in game, to come over and tell coach to pull his kid is unreasonable. Will a parent do it...should a parent do it as the ultimate protector of his kid...YES....but the coach should absolutely not put parents in this position...not just the position of over pitching a kid which is bad enough but then fully expecting the parent to come over and put a stop to it. Parents place a lot of trust in you guys, as you well know and deserve, but the parents and young men also desere the respect of not gettin sacrificed on the alter of a preseason tourney win. Leaving it to the athletes, IMO, is not ideal either. Now some would say they know their bodies better than anyone else but when a coach leaves it to them, with a high pitch count, they may well feel obligated to "take one for the team".
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quote:Originally posted by Bulldog 19:quote:He probably has his guys lift weights on game day too.
You act as if there"s something wrong with that....
I think where Panther Fan was going with that was more related to maxing out in offseason on a night where the kid is slated to pitch. Since I know PF personally, I know that was his point of reference.
watched a kid throw 159 after a 20 minute delay because infield sprinklers came on in 6th inning. Gave up 5 runs in top of 7th to lose.
The Hebron coach has had his starters all throwing 95+ pitches in tournament starts and then playing the field. This after not throwing more than an inning during the preseason. Had one kid throw 128 pitches then play right field the next day. He also has the principal's kid starting at 3rd and just brought up his son, a freshman, to start at shortstop on Varsity.
Sounds like you have a bit of an ax to grind. In HS baseball, having a kid throw 100 pitches and then be in the starting lineup the next day is very common. It would be a luxury to have "pitcher only's" for your top 2 or 3 pitchers but that just isn't the case at most high schools in the area.quote:Originally posted by ExHawksFan:
The Hebron coach has had his starters all throwing 95+ pitches in tournament starts and then playing the field. This after not throwing more than an inning during the preseason. Had one kid throw 128 pitches then play right field the next day. He also has the principal's kid starting at 3rd and just brought up his son, a freshman, to start at shortstop on Varsity.
quote:Originally posted by Nuke:In HS baseball, having a kid throw 100 pitches and then be in the starting lineup the next day is very common. It would be a luxury to have "pitcher only's" for your top 2 or 3 pitchers but that just isn't the case at most high schools in the areaquote:Originally posted by ExHawksFan:
Even though it's common...still doesn't mean it's right.
Your 100% right there DD!
158 pitches, half curveballs? Off with his head.
quote:158 pitches, half curveballs? Off with his head.
Yeah, I'd take the kid's head off too. Because if a coach called that many pitches in the first place, there's no way I'd be playing for him. So until proven otherwise, the number of curveballs falls on the pitcher and catcher..
March 1st my freshman son throws 77 pitches for JV1.
March 3rd (42 hours later) throws 36 pitches for Varsity.
March 4th (again for Varsity) throws 37 and can't hit his spots.
150 pitches 3 of 4 days. Considering the hasty warm up offered in each Varsity outing and all the associated warm up pitches thrown, I believe this is even worse than 150 at on time. Turns out the Varsity coach was told by JV1 coach he threw ABOUT 60 pitches March 1.
After all this he suffered back pain for several days. This Varsity coach also let another player play 3rd in the 7th inning after throwing 6 innings and about 95 pitches. They had a 7-5 lead going into the bottom of the 7th and the pitcher, now at 3rd, over throws 1st and gets down on himself. Then misses a grounder that tied the game. With 2 outs the next batter jacks it and our boys loose 8-7.
Yeah, I here you all about pitch counts and rest.
March 3rd (42 hours later) throws 36 pitches for Varsity.
March 4th (again for Varsity) throws 37 and can't hit his spots.
150 pitches 3 of 4 days. Considering the hasty warm up offered in each Varsity outing and all the associated warm up pitches thrown, I believe this is even worse than 150 at on time. Turns out the Varsity coach was told by JV1 coach he threw ABOUT 60 pitches March 1.
After all this he suffered back pain for several days. This Varsity coach also let another player play 3rd in the 7th inning after throwing 6 innings and about 95 pitches. They had a 7-5 lead going into the bottom of the 7th and the pitcher, now at 3rd, over throws 1st and gets down on himself. Then misses a grounder that tied the game. With 2 outs the next batter jacks it and our boys loose 8-7.
Yeah, I here you all about pitch counts and rest.
ExHawkFan...Hebrons Freshman played solid tonight. 1-3 w/ an RBI and a solid 6-4-3 double play late in the game. Maybe the Hebron coach made the right choice to play SS
redhawksbaseball...I'm happy he did the job that several seniors, juniors and sophomores could have done against a 4A team that got shut out, but we'll never know that will we?
You can't spin it any other way than he promoted his own kid as a freshman to Varsity. How did the principal's kid do? He was promoted as a sophomore last year over better older players that did nothing wrong other than have the wrong last name. Oh and he promoted the asst coach's son who was also a sophomore. Is it just me or is there a pattern with this program?
Remind me again, how many state titles does Hebron have?
Most of all I'm happy that I'm not in that program anymore.
You can't spin it any other way than he promoted his own kid as a freshman to Varsity. How did the principal's kid do? He was promoted as a sophomore last year over better older players that did nothing wrong other than have the wrong last name. Oh and he promoted the asst coach's son who was also a sophomore. Is it just me or is there a pattern with this program?
Remind me again, how many state titles does Hebron have?
Most of all I'm happy that I'm not in that program anymore.
You are nuts if you don't think the coach's kid doesn't deserve a shot on varsity. My son has faced him many times in the last 3-4 years of summer ball and that kid is legit.
Argue all you want about pitch counts; but that kid is a baseball player and deserves any shots he gets.
Argue all you want about pitch counts; but that kid is a baseball player and deserves any shots he gets.
quote:You can't spin it any other way than he promoted his own kid as a freshman to Varsity. How did the principal's kid do? He was promoted as a sophomore last year over better older players that did nothing wrong other than have the wrong last name. Oh and he promoted the asst coach's son who was also a sophomore. Is it just me or is there a pattern with this program?
Come on now. I am new to this site. I have coach at the HS level and have seen this to many times. "He's only there because he is a coaches kid" is used as an excuse by many who are not as talented as the freshman who gets moved up. It has nothing to do with the fact that he is a more talented player, just who his daddy is. The coaches job is to win games. He must put the BEST team on the field. If the Hebron coach feels to have the best team,he must have younger players so be it. It is his choice who plays and no one elses.
This is off the topic of this forum. Pitch counts are important for young men. My son has thrown 65 pitches for JV on one day then 2 days later 60 on varsity. Ans played the field after he pitched. Do I blame the coach? NO. We are at a 2A school and the coach has no choice.
quote:Originally posted by ExHawksFan:
redhawksbaseball...I'm happy he did the job that several seniors, juniors and sophomores could have done against a 4A team that got shut out, but we'll never know that will we?
You can't spin it any other way than he promoted his own kid as a freshman to Varsity. How did the principal's kid do? He was promoted as a sophomore last year over better older players that did nothing wrong other than have the wrong last name. Oh and he promoted the asst coach's son who was also a sophomore. Is it just me or is there a pattern with this program?
Remind me again, how many state titles does Hebron have?
Most of all I'm happy that I'm not in that program anymore.
I thought the principal retired last year (whatever the case was) and hasn't been there - how is this player still labeled the principals kid?