2 Kellam High baseball coaches suspended on concerns of "player discipline" http://pilotonline.com/sports/...1c-c3ed3fbef98f.html
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Will admit that I did not know what to expect given the thread title.
Rough Diamond posted:Will admit that I did not know what to expect given the thread title.
Yep.
suspenseful I'd say
Golfman25 posted:Rough Diamond posted:Will admit that I did not know what to expect given the thread title.
Yep.
Seriously could the OP not have said "hot water"....and that article says, um, nothing other than 2 coaches suspended. Not what for, just suspended and they can't comment on why.
Coaches were suspended for reportedly being too harsh in disciplining a player. (The discipline was physical in nature).
Mother called in to complain. Administration investigated the complaint. Coaches suspended.
GoHeels posted:Coaches were suspended for reportedly being too harsh in disciplining a player. (The discipline was physical in nature).
Mother called in to complain. Administration investigated the complaint. Coaches suspended.
Um, when my kid dipped into failing two classes his sports coach had him doing 600 yard bear crawls every day after practice until his grades came back up. Personally I thought it was counter productive to have a kid so exhausted he could no longer do homework, but my son really didn't enjoy those 5am wake-up calls so he could do that homework. It was an effective motivator in his case.
Do we know what type of discipline the player received?
More specifics here - http://wavy.com/2016/09/07/2-k...d-until-next-spring/
VWGolfer posted:More specifics here - http://wavy.com/2016/09/07/2-k...d-until-next-spring/
The world sure has changed.
Caco3girl,
the punishment was bear crawls.
redbird5 posted:Caco3girl,
the punishment was bear crawls.
Then I'd be okay with it ;-)
But...but...but...Little Johnny's hands hurt so bad he couldn't hold his pencil.
redbird5 posted:But...but...but...Little Johnny's hands hurt so bad he couldn't hold his pencil.
Then maybe little Johnny will do what is expected of him?????
I'm a big fan of punishments that the kids can control. Can each kid control if the team lost, nope. Can each kid control that one of their teammates changed into turfs before the team meeting, nope. But each kid can control themselves....or they get punished.
I remember my junior high football coach used a paddle. Almost anything that displeased him ended with you grabbing your ankles and taking a couple to one butt cheek or the other. In retrospect, I'm amazed he got away with it even them. This guy actually ended up as a D1 head coach at one time.
From the article:
"She said her son violated a team rule by not shaving before a game in March."
How does the Mom not see this as the freaking problem?!?! If a player does something wrong (i.e. violate a team standard) he is held accountable. This is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest part of coaching, in my eyes. And we wonder why we're heading the direction we are.....
HS Baseball, like any other HS sport, is an elective. By being part of the team, you are choosing to participate and abide by the rules. If you break the rules, you are subject to punishment. I am not in favor of a coach putting their hands on a kid but physical punishment is ok. What would those parents have done if he simply dropped them for pushups until they couldn't do any more? Would their sore pectoral muscles been enough to take pics and confront the new principal?
If you don't like the punishment, you have 2 options, either don't be an idiot (stop breaking the rules) or quit. This incident bring another option...complain and whine that the coach is being unfair. 
ANNNNNNND...there is either more to the story, or this is the most spineless group of administrators East of the Mississippi. To suspend two coaches for that long for having a kid do bear crawls because he broke a rule? That's pathetic.
Personal experience: a couple decades ago I was fortunate to be the Head Basketball Coach at a highly-regarded DC area Catholic League school. I also had an All-American point guard whose clippings were going to his head. At the very beginning of the season he started appearing at practice a few minutes late, so we had him run suicides as punishment for his tardiness. He kept finding reasons to come in 3-5 minutes late for the next couple of days. We changed our strategy (thank you to my assistants!). Instead of having him run, we had the entire team run suicides until he showed up. After two days of that, his teammates took it upon themselves (a private session in their locker room) to be sure he was on time for the rest of the season. No whining, no complaining, no parental intervention, just the team policing itself.
The Kellam situation is ridiculous.
redbird5 posted:HS Baseball, like any other HS sport, is an elective. By being part of the team, you are choosing to participate and abide by the rules. If you break the rules, you are subject to punishment. I am not in favor of a coach putting their hands on a kid but physical punishment is ok. What would those parents have done if he simply dropped them for pushups until they couldn't do any more? Would their sore pectoral muscles been enough to take pics and confront the new principal?
If you don't like the punishment, you have 2 options, either don't be an idiot (stop breaking the rules) or quit. This incident bring another option...complain and whine that the coach is being unfair.
^^^^^THIS
I mean what a novel concept, break a clearly laid out rule, get a punishment. No do-overs, no talking your way out of it, no mom and dad will send an email and fix it....break a rule and get punished.
Look was happened to the Grassfield Coach a few years ago. Coach Todd had a hard time with his rants in left field or on the bus rides home after a loss. He was suspended many times and now he is no longer coaching in Chesapeake system or allowed to coach. Not sure which one.
I just saw that he is coaching a showcase team. Wonder how that will end up? Do these teams check their coaches out? Guess not !
More to come.
Infiekd posted:Look was happened to the Grassfield Coach a few years ago. Coach Todd had a hard time with his rants in left field or on the bus rides home after a loss. He was suspended many times and now he is no longer coaching in Chesapeake system or allowed to coach. Not sure which one.
I just saw that he is coaching a showcase team. Wonder how that will end up? Do these teams check their coaches out? Guess not !
More to come.
So...according to you, he shouldn't coach again?
Well the info against Coach Todd is true. So if he was fired for his rants and injuring a kid at practice. Hitting him with a tennis racket. ( it was on video) No getting around that issue. Then maybe he should not coach again.
Would you want your kid playing for a coach like that? Really.
The tennis racket was an accident. I've seen the video and talked to a few of the kids.
Id have my son play for him any time.
Infiekd posted:Well the info against Coach Todd is true. So if he was fired for his rants and injuring a kid at practice. Hitting him with a tennis racket. ( it was on video) No getting around that issue. Then maybe he should not coach again.
Would you want your kid playing for a coach like that? Really.
Never heard of the guy, but nothing wrong with a little rant to motivate the players. I think coaching in general has become too passive and all touchy feely, don't hurt my feelings. Man up.
Infiekd posted:Well the info against Coach Todd is true. So if he was fired for his rants and injuring a kid at practice. Hitting him with a tennis racket. ( it was on video) No getting around that issue. Then maybe he should not coach again.
Would you want your kid playing for a coach like that? Really.
Just to make sure I understand you...you ask for info about CBA and someone tells you to make sure a Coach Todd isn't coaching the team and then you tell me the information about Coach Todd is true? How do you know - because someone else told you it was?
Infiekd posted:Well the info against Coach Todd is true. So if he was fired for his rants and injuring a kid at practice. Hitting him with a tennis racket. ( it was on video) No getting around that issue. Then maybe he should not coach again.
Would you want your kid playing for a coach like that? Really.
NTGson has worked a number of camps with Coach Todd and remains impressed with his knowledge, teaching methods, empathy and compassion for the kids he's teaching. He made mistakes, made no excuses, accepted loss of his job and learned from the experience. I have closely watched him coach since his dismissal from Grassfield. It's amazing how one learns and matures.
I would welcome the opportunity to place my child under Sean Todd's coaching right now if NTGson were younger and not at college playing ball.
Perhaps you should take the time to sit down with the staff of this program and rely on personal contact and not innuendo and rumor.
The Todd situation was well documented not much debate about the facts with video/recordings being a turning factor in both his rants and contact with player. The was no he said/he said - there was just coach and reality of what he said and did.
Sorry but any coach loses the benefit of the doubt to "accidently" have physical contact with a player AFTER he has been under suspension for 1/2 of the prior season for misconduct.
To the extent any misconduct as the GF Coach disqualifies him as a showcase coach I think not - as long as parents and players are aware of his history and have asked any questions and received satisfactory responses.
In this regard another Chesapeake coach is experienced in dealing with past problems - Bobby Hoeft. Situations are not equivalents but Hoeft (like him or hate him) does address his past openly.
It might be tough to imagine a world where kids grow up and play sports and don't have a run until you puke story to tell but that is where we are heading. Everyone should have a little faith that every change from the past is not the end of civilization.
Wait...wha??? So, ST doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because he was previously suspended for yelling at kids, is that correct? You contend he purposefully threw the racquet at a kid?
And then...you're loosely comparing a coach fired from high school baseball for yelling and screaming at his players with a guy who touched multiple underage girls (allegedly)? And then you are giving "credit" to the (alleged) child abuser because he addresses his past "openly"?
If you would like to question Coach Todd, I can find his phone number for you. He is very open.
Yes. He lost the benefit of the doubt to coach of GF HS Baseball. Being a repeat offender carries that consequence. He got a 2nd chance and blew it. Not complicated.
Consider what happens if there is another incident. That was not going to be permitted for a baseball coach that is easily replaceable.
Never said anything about throwing anything so I don't know where that came from.
I do accept that he should be able to make a living and losing the coaching job for his conduct was the price he paid. So I do not have an issue with him running the showcase team and that is what I said. Not sure what your problem with my position is here since it seems to be the same as yours.
Appreciate the offer of his number but my kid is no longer in HS. He did have the privilege of beating him is HS a bunch of times though.
FWIW, I state clearly there is no equivalence between Hoeft and Todd. My point was simple: If you have doubts about his past ask and get answers. In that they are the same. The issues of their past are not.
Oh yeah one other thing. There is nothing alleged about Hoeft. He is a convicted and registered offender. It is not something that requires qualification of any type.
That he is able to get past that and make a living coaching kids is one of the more amazing things I have ever seen. Proof that people do get 2nd chances if nothing else.
Yes I looked Hoeft up. That is truly amazing.
I am staying clear.
luv baseball posted:Oh yeah one other thing. There is nothing alleged about Hoeft. He is a convicted and registered offender. It is not something that requires qualification of any type.
That he is able to get past that and make a living coaching kids is one of the more amazing things I have ever seen. Proof that people do get 2nd chances if nothing else.
Thank you for your reply