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Coaches ruining talented teams...

T thatguy30310+ posts
sorry but this is going to be a little bit of a rant.
Has anyone else ever seen a coach who year after year seems to ruin talented teams? I come home from college for the weekend yesturday and find out the team from my high school is in the playoffs and playing at home. I still have a friend or two playing and I love watching baseball so I decided to ride out there. The night before they jumped out to a 10-0 lead in the 2nd inning in the first round of the playoffs and had to hang on to win 12-11. Last night they start out good, give up 1 run in the 2nd, 2 more in the 4th, and in the 5th everything falls apart. The team couldnt field a ground ball and make the throw to first base in time to get the runner, they got 3 balls out of the infield the entire night at the plate and two of those were fly ball outs. This team has one guy who will (or I should say has the talent to) play college ball somewhere next year and two or three more guy that could in the future as well (just the ones I know about since I dont know a lot of the guys on the team). They lost the game 8-1 when the other team only scored 2 or 3 earned runs. Last nights performance got me to thinking about some of his other teams, he had 3 guys that got the opprotunity to play college ball (1 Div. I scholarhip, 1 Div. II scholarship who transferred and walked on to a Div.I school, and another who got invited to walk on to the same Div.I school as the previous two) playing together for three years and failed to win a playoff game (only making the playoffs once in a state where 4 out of 6 teams from a conference make the playoffs). He has been the coach at the school since it opened and has 2 playoff victories (including the one this season) at the school. Once while I was in school I remember a friend on the team telling me that he once cancelled practice to go and play golf.
I have never heard on a coach that cant win with talent (at least in baseball, did know a football coach with 3 future NFLers including a #1 overall draft pick and a Heisman runner up who couldnt make it to the state semifinals). Granted this team isnt talented enough to win a state championship or anything but their overall record is 10-7 (I believe) this season and they arent even playing against the top teams in the area.
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C Coachric1,000+ posts
Hey ThatGuy. I have ranted about a coach I worked with or under for 5 years and he ruined many teams and players. He finally got his this year when he had 4 more players quit on him during a 1-21 season. 7 years at the school for him and 13 players quit on him. Many of the others quit on the field but still wore the uniform. This guy has driven away more people than Fidel Castro.
He was asked to leave his coaching job at the end of this season by the Ad (his Dad) and the principal.
Thank goodness it finally caught up to him.
W Will1,000+ posts
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What I don't understand is when a coach knows not anyone respects or likes him -- team, parents, other coaches


MrMom

I always wanted everybody to like me especially the parents. Just had to get that in. But in reality you cant please everybody and if you do you are in trouble real quick. What if the guy was respected and liked and his teams posted losing after losing season.
Old PitcherOld Pitcher1,000+ posts
I have a take on this that I didn't really think of before, but one of the posts made me think of it.

In regards to coaches ruining things like 303 mentioned, my daughter played varsity volleyball during her freshman, sophomore and most of her junior year. Notice I said most of her junior year. She is an incredible athlete and also plays softball. The coach always bragged how she never had a senior volleyball player never leave the program without going on to college to play VB and we always told her that our daughter would be going to college to play softball. Every year during her freshman and sophomore years, we always wondered why some of the less talented seniors would decide to quit the team during the season and it finally donned on us during my daughters junior year what was going on. If a girl wasn't good enough to go on and play VB in college, she would make it so miserable for them that they would just decide to quit the team rather than take the abuse by the coach. This happened during my daughter's junior year when the coach realized that softball would be my daughter's future in college. Now I'm talking a D-1 volleyball player here. During my daughter's 3 years as a volleyball player, there were more than 30 girls that quit the volleyball program because of the coach. My daughter has signed on to play college softball at a D-1 program by the way!! The coach is still at the school, too! I just don't get that!!
Q Quincy1,000+ posts
Baseball as it is organized does not take much talent.

Players are pre-positioned as the game dictates.

A good coach will place the player best suited for that position in that position. If they make the routine plays they will look like stars.

Teach pitchers that pitches located in certain areas are strikes and next to unhittable.

Teach players not to swing at balls out of the strike zone. Develop their swing mechanics as best as possible and send them out to have fun playing baseball.

Good coaches select the best talent available to them and use that talent to compete.
CM Coach May1,000+ posts
Here is a fact. I have coached against some coaches that were not very good coaches. Every once in awhile they will have a great run in talent come into their school. A couple of outstanding arms and some good posistion players that can swing it. During those years they are tough to beat. When they have average talent they can't compete even with the other teams with average talent because they are poorly coached. The bottom line is very talented HS teams win more than they loose in spite of poor coaching. Good coaches can take average talent and compete against superior talent. And good coaches can take great talent and win championships. Its kind of funny but for some reason the more talented we are the better season we have. And the less talented we are the less games we win against the better teams. It is very easy to say the reason we dont win is the coach. Do you say when you are winning it is because of the coach? Or do you say its because you have some studs?

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