Can high school head coaches coach a summer team?
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They can, and many do.
quote:Originally posted by bk3317:
Can high school head coaches coach a summer team?
Yes they can so long as it is not his own high school franchise team. Most HS head coaches manage a summer team comprising of showcase players from different high schools in the area. The most players he can coach belonging to his home school cannot exceed 25% of the total players registered for that showcase team.
quote:Originally posted by 3plplay:quote:Originally posted by bk3317:
Can high school head coaches coach a summer team?
Yes they can so long as it is not his own high school franchise team. Most HS head coaches manage a summer team comprising of showcase players from different high schools in the area. The most players he can coach belonging to his home school cannot exceed 25% of the total players registered for that showcase team.
Most high school coaches I am aware of do not acually coach a summer team, rather the high school team adds one or two players to their school roster and has that team coached by a trusted dad. While the high school coach is not technically coaching the team, they are in fact watching, guiding, scouting, debriefing the dad, etc... I realize this is a slighty different answer to the question of "can they coach a summer team", but just highlighting what I am aware of during summer ball.
That was the practice with those fall, wood bat league teams. But I don't think that was the question of the OP.
BTW, I am aware of at least one instance where the rule, if it is as 3plplay states, is being flouted.
BTW, I am aware of at least one instance where the rule, if it is as 3plplay states, is being flouted.
Midlo,
Your point about the rule being flouted was my point about the summer league. While the OP question was "can" they coach a summer team, regardless of what the rules state, they are coachng their and other teams during the summer.
Your point about the rule being flouted was my point about the summer league. While the OP question was "can" they coach a summer team, regardless of what the rules state, they are coachng their and other teams during the summer.
Fall rule in Central Region is you have to have 2 players on your roster ffrom another school.
I have read VHSL has opened it up to give coaches access to their teams next year.
I tyhink the new rules may have been brought about as a result of ythe growing popularity off 7 on 7 football.
Soon we will be seeing Spring 7 on 7 Leagues!
I have read VHSL has opened it up to give coaches access to their teams next year.
I tyhink the new rules may have been brought about as a result of ythe growing popularity off 7 on 7 football.
Soon we will be seeing Spring 7 on 7 Leagues!
Most High School Coaches do not coach in the summer because they are not getting........PAID $$$$ !!!!
I don't know about that. In many instances the summer team is where they actually can make a little. What they make in the spring is pathetic.
I don't think any of these guys are in it for the money. The proof in that pudding is that there isn't much to be had.
I don't think any of these guys are in it for the money. The proof in that pudding is that there isn't much to be had.
I think it will be something to see if Districts begin letting HS Baseball coaches coach their teams in the summer or the fall. It will greatly affect the tug and pull of other coaches in other sports. It's great in schools with thousands of kids, but not so great is small schools such as Colonial Heights not to mention the fact that CH should not be in AAA at all, but that's another discussion all together.
Coming from a perspective of a parent of a HS player who played 4 years of HS Varsity and did the whole National travel schedule with a prominent travel program, and who's son did finally make it to a D1 baseball program I'd say it is probably inconsequential IF the coach knows what opportunities there are for a player that needs to hone his skills at MUCH higher levels. If the coach is a homebody that has no inclination or desire to take his team outside of his district then there is going to be issues. Some coaches are very stingy in the extra-curricular activities they "allow" their players to participate in. Some may even say you WILL do this or that or you WILL NOT be looked upon favorably during tryouts next season. I know of a particular coach that puts it to his players this way. "Go ahead and not show up to summer lifting." Thats it, that's all he says. How many players on the bubble do you think don't show up? Now the player that is a "true" starter and cannot be overlooked when cuts begin can probably get away with doing what they feel is best, but 90% of the other players will not want to chance it and if their true desire is to play HS baseball they will forego the State and National opportunities and go to the summer weight training. I suppose there is always a struggle when deciding what to do, or not do, but wasn't it a bit easier when they just told the coaches "hands-off" during the off season?
Coming from a perspective of a parent of a HS player who played 4 years of HS Varsity and did the whole National travel schedule with a prominent travel program, and who's son did finally make it to a D1 baseball program I'd say it is probably inconsequential IF the coach knows what opportunities there are for a player that needs to hone his skills at MUCH higher levels. If the coach is a homebody that has no inclination or desire to take his team outside of his district then there is going to be issues. Some coaches are very stingy in the extra-curricular activities they "allow" their players to participate in. Some may even say you WILL do this or that or you WILL NOT be looked upon favorably during tryouts next season. I know of a particular coach that puts it to his players this way. "Go ahead and not show up to summer lifting." Thats it, that's all he says. How many players on the bubble do you think don't show up? Now the player that is a "true" starter and cannot be overlooked when cuts begin can probably get away with doing what they feel is best, but 90% of the other players will not want to chance it and if their true desire is to play HS baseball they will forego the State and National opportunities and go to the summer weight training. I suppose there is always a struggle when deciding what to do, or not do, but wasn't it a bit easier when they just told the coaches "hands-off" during the off season?
Well honestly I think it will HELP many programs. Especially those with good coaches and those with programs who aren't that strong or very young. If the coach has the know how and the drive, he can use that extra time with his team to improve all of them. It's not like the average HS Coaching staff has the time to do much (if any at all) one-on-one interaction and training.
The downside is those coaches who will use this to more readily enforce their will on players / teams. Such as the coaches who spout "no travel ball" even now. Of course those coaches fall in two camps, and normally their programs follow suit:
Varsity Coaches restricting PLAYING with a travel team during the HS season, that makes sense in most cases. Unless it's a case where the player is not getting much, if any, playing time in HS. Can prevent overuse of pitchers as well.
Coaches who restrict TRAINING and PLAYING with outside teams usually get far different results, UNLESS that program is PROVIDING training beyond the daily practice.
What I see happening is that some programs, that are weaker, will continue to get weaker, if a Coach restricts players from playing in other environments outside of HS baseball.
I know of an example where a returning JR, (4 year STARTER on Varsity) and a returning SR were both told NO playing on Summer teams a few weeks before the HS season ended. Both kids had the potential to play at the next level. Neither did much pitching at all for their HS team. The players talked it over with their parents and showcase / travel coaches and had a meeting with their HS coach. They were honest, told them their best chance at playing in college was getting exposure during the Summer / Fall. The HS coach ACTUALLY stated that he didn't give a rat's A#$ about them playing in college. He was thinking of his team. Told them if they played Summer / Showcase ball, not to show up for tryouts. They chose Summer ball. When tryouts rolled around, word had gotten out. Only a few of the previous years V starters even showed up to tryouts.
Someone brought the issue up with the AD, actually it wasn't a parent, it was local Travel coach who knew many of the kids.
The AD met with the Coach, asked for his reasoning, Coach ended up leaving.
Word got out, kids showed back up, team won their District went to States. (First time for that program). Those two kids? Both went on to play college ball.
I know that's an extreme case. And I'm sure many old school coaches will disagree...but anyone posting here knows that the majority of exposure for HS players does not come from the HS program or Coach. Yes, I'm sure there are exceptions. But I doubt those exceptions would handle their team like this Coach did.
Year round involvement for HS coaches CAN BE a great thing for their team and the program as a whole.
Unfortunately I have a feeling that many Coaches won't do anything different with the new environment...and some will try to expand their boundaries.
Just my 2 cents.
The downside is those coaches who will use this to more readily enforce their will on players / teams. Such as the coaches who spout "no travel ball" even now. Of course those coaches fall in two camps, and normally their programs follow suit:
Varsity Coaches restricting PLAYING with a travel team during the HS season, that makes sense in most cases. Unless it's a case where the player is not getting much, if any, playing time in HS. Can prevent overuse of pitchers as well.
Coaches who restrict TRAINING and PLAYING with outside teams usually get far different results, UNLESS that program is PROVIDING training beyond the daily practice.
What I see happening is that some programs, that are weaker, will continue to get weaker, if a Coach restricts players from playing in other environments outside of HS baseball.
I know of an example where a returning JR, (4 year STARTER on Varsity) and a returning SR were both told NO playing on Summer teams a few weeks before the HS season ended. Both kids had the potential to play at the next level. Neither did much pitching at all for their HS team. The players talked it over with their parents and showcase / travel coaches and had a meeting with their HS coach. They were honest, told them their best chance at playing in college was getting exposure during the Summer / Fall. The HS coach ACTUALLY stated that he didn't give a rat's A#$ about them playing in college. He was thinking of his team. Told them if they played Summer / Showcase ball, not to show up for tryouts. They chose Summer ball. When tryouts rolled around, word had gotten out. Only a few of the previous years V starters even showed up to tryouts.
Someone brought the issue up with the AD, actually it wasn't a parent, it was local Travel coach who knew many of the kids.
The AD met with the Coach, asked for his reasoning, Coach ended up leaving.
Word got out, kids showed back up, team won their District went to States. (First time for that program). Those two kids? Both went on to play college ball.
I know that's an extreme case. And I'm sure many old school coaches will disagree...but anyone posting here knows that the majority of exposure for HS players does not come from the HS program or Coach. Yes, I'm sure there are exceptions. But I doubt those exceptions would handle their team like this Coach did.
Year round involvement for HS coaches CAN BE a great thing for their team and the program as a whole.
Unfortunately I have a feeling that many Coaches won't do anything different with the new environment...and some will try to expand their boundaries.
Just my 2 cents.
I think that its a tough call to make. For the coaches that don't abuse the system it would be a good thing. They would be able to work much longer with a core of their players and that usually is a good thing. The problem comes into play when you get the coach who wants to control his players outside of the HS season and that is where I don't agree. I understand that kids need to work in the off-season but there is a difference between a kid who is being a couch potato and one who is working, training and playing for another system. At then end of the day it is the HS coaches team and if he decides to cut a player then that is his call. There is nothing in the rules that says he is forced to take a player so even if he decided to cut the "Star" player then that is his option. What is the alternative? Sue the school so that your son can play? That's ridiculous... My stand on that would be to say "Fine. No problem, my son will run track in the spring and will do his showcase in the summer and still go to college." Fortunately for us that we have one of the good guy coaches. LOL
I think coaches worestrict players are theexception and not the rule.
I think we have to understand these guys are just like us - guys with jobs and families. Unless money is involved who could expect them to coach a sport year round?
The thing I dont like about it is it creates kind of an obligation on coaches to give more of their time...if not an obligation at least a feeling they have to work more to keep up with the competition.
Truthfully I like things the way they are.
I think we have to understand these guys are just like us - guys with jobs and families. Unless money is involved who could expect them to coach a sport year round?
The thing I dont like about it is it creates kind of an obligation on coaches to give more of their time...if not an obligation at least a feeling they have to work more to keep up with the competition.
Truthfully I like things the way they are.
Agree that they are like us and that they should be able to earn some extra money coaching. As in everything though, the problems are created by those that abuse the system.
Its fine if a coach has a team that is made up of his own players. I personally think that is a great thing. He can really work with them and get a good jump on the season. The problem comes when that same coach tries to pressure players into playing for him. I think that if that didn't happen then NO ONE would have an issue. The reality is that it happens all the time and its not right. Because let's be honest, a team comprised of players from their HS team will never be a competitive showcase team. If they are then they are a lock for a State title because no one HS has that much talent to compete with a showcase team that pulls from everywhere. That said then you will almost never get the top caliber player from that team committing to play for them, and that leads to the issues that we have been talking about with the pressure to play etc. The problem is that the top caliber player has options and the coach would be hard pressed to call his bluff so he winds up really pressing the mid-level player who has visions on being the next elite player. That kid may not have the talent at that moment to be on a top tier showcase team but if he got the right training he could be. So he is stuck trying to decide what is best. That is who has the real problem in all of this...
Its fine if a coach has a team that is made up of his own players. I personally think that is a great thing. He can really work with them and get a good jump on the season. The problem comes when that same coach tries to pressure players into playing for him. I think that if that didn't happen then NO ONE would have an issue. The reality is that it happens all the time and its not right. Because let's be honest, a team comprised of players from their HS team will never be a competitive showcase team. If they are then they are a lock for a State title because no one HS has that much talent to compete with a showcase team that pulls from everywhere. That said then you will almost never get the top caliber player from that team committing to play for them, and that leads to the issues that we have been talking about with the pressure to play etc. The problem is that the top caliber player has options and the coach would be hard pressed to call his bluff so he winds up really pressing the mid-level player who has visions on being the next elite player. That kid may not have the talent at that moment to be on a top tier showcase team but if he got the right training he could be. So he is stuck trying to decide what is best. That is who has the real problem in all of this...