Codes of Conduct

Not sure if they are a requirement but all schools have rules and regulations in place that will cover pretty much anything. It may not say "athletes will not...." but it will have students on it which covers everyone.

I don't see why you wouldn't want to have something in place. In our lawsuit happy society that we are living in right now you have to CYA on EVERYTHING. The crazy thing is just because you have rules and regulations in place it doesn't stop people from suing and winning. But I would rather have something to at least give me a fighting chance in the courtroom than to not have something at be at a jury's mercy. I know this from experience - it wasn't my team but I took the witness stand because I had rules in place.

The difficult part in COC's is what is fair and equitable for all. To me what makes it difficult is if you have a rule that says - you get caught doing ____ then you are suspended one year (season). Well that's not real fair because a Senior is being punished more severely than a Fresshman would be.

If you have a no drinking alcohol policy do you / can you punish a kid who was drinking with his parents? Can a school / team rule supercede what parents are doing?

It's a good thing to have but can be a slippery slope if you start passing a whole bunch of rules and regulations.

Does anyone remember the old Bank of America ad..."we dont process 20 million transactions per day we process 1 transaction a day 20 million times."

It was a brilliant way of saying everyone gets individual treatment on a case by case basis.

I MEAN BRILLIANT!

If we are talking about Ian Krol this week then I will tell you that I personally am upset about the decision to suspend him (based on the information presented in the newspaper articel).

According to the newspaper (PGC gave the link) Ian went to a basketball game with a friend. The friend had alcohol in the car. Upon arriving at the basketball game Ian called his parents with the "I cant be here" call and they picked him up. Ian's blood alcohol level 0.0 .

And, he is suspended because of a code of conduct policy.

Wait a minute, he did not drink... he called his parents... he got out of the bad situation and got suspended for it.

Policies do not take into account one person 3000 times (the student body of a school). They take 3000 kids and count them all as one.

I hate what the school did to this kid. It was wrong. They did wrong. And, that policy was ill admistered to a group instead of an idividual.

I for one would be grateful my kid called me with the "I am in a bad situation get me out" call.

Who wouldn't.

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Originally posted by Doughnutman:
We have been arguing the good and bad of COC's in the Illinois forum for a couple of days and I was wondering if all schools/states require them now. Public or private schools. Pipe in if you have them or not. Any examples would be appreciated.

I would also appreciate any college versions that are out there.
Thanks

Doughnutman,
Personally would prefer that what's going on in the IL thread not spill out over here. Seems that they need their own code of conduct.

To answer your question, all colleges/universities have a code of conduct for athletes and non athletes but I am not sure that most cover some of the things covered in the one for HS I saw in the IL thread. And code of conduct for a school's athletes is usually dfferent from team rules.

My son's college coach was pretty strict, but as far as I know no one was ever kicked off the team for off the field issues that occur on every college campus. His rules pertained to where he had control over the team, which was at the field and also while traveling and curfews.

IMO, code of conduct in HS off campus is simply not always appropriate or attainable, I don't feel it's anyone's business what my kids do while away from school, that is our responsiblity. I am not talking about serious arrests for serious offenses, that's a seperate issue.
To kick a player off of a team because he/she was with someone who had alcohol is just unreasonable. Even if the player was in possession of alcohol off cmapus, that's to me is unreasonable as well. That's an issue for parents to deal with.
Perhaps if parents aren't dealing with it, they need some code of conduct parent rules themselves.
JMO.

Before the conversation gets out of control on the specifics of any one situation, Playfair - you say you read those facts in the paper. Are you sure that's what you read? Can you post a link - it may be important to the subsequent conversation to see what was actually printed.

Actually, I think it has been, for the most part, a well thought out discussion on the IL forum for anyone who wants to check it out. We seem to get a bad rap over there!

I just thought if people choose to comment on the specifics of what they THINK they know about an individual situation, it would be important to start with the facts as they have been presented in print. I haven't seen what Playfair quoted printed in any local papers so I'm curious to see the link.

And I know we shy away from talking about individual kids - maybe the players name can be removed from the previous post?

I was just expressing my opinion, that doesn't mean that it can't be discussed.

Our COC does not apply evenly to all players. A select few can use the fbomb freely - including the coach.

In cases like this, it does more harm than good.

Playfair what newspaper did you get your information from??

Ian Krol story

i won't comment on specifics, but this story appears that Krol accepts some of the blame. it was also his second violation.

i saw the story in BA, but can't find it now.

What about the COC that starts in the home !!!!

My coach had a COC......it was short and sweet....


It was "His way or the Highway"..........and his way was hustle, prepare, be on time, listen, behave yourself, respect the game and your teammates or we dont need you......

No paper handout, no contract, no questions and no appeals.....

When he passed away a group of us grown men who had played for him, stood around trying to hold back the tears...not one of us felt he had slighted any of us because of "his way".....

That was my point of asking for the link... the newspaper articles that I have read don't state the facts the way playfair recounts them. Read the posted link and you'll see it's very vague about the specifics of the situation, as it should be. If there's another link, he should post it.

The point being, everyone wants to second guess the administration on these things - in general, not just this specific case - but the fact is no one, other than those directly involved, know what really happened. According to all affected, including the coach, the school followed their protocol and the parents and the player have accepted the decision and are moving on. But people start throwing out "facts" and "this is what happened and here's what I have to say about that" and the conversation veers off into the Twilight Zone. It's unfair to both sides - and there are two sides in these situations - to extend the conversation into speculation.

Playfair - do you have another link to a newspaper article that supports the details you gave?

quote:

Originally posted by TPM:
Personally would prefer that what's going on in the IL thread not spill out over here. Seems that they need their own code of conduct.

Could you share with us the purpose behind your comment that "they need their own code of conduct"?

I'm sure there must be something there, but being a lesser mortal from the IL Forum, I fear I need guidance from superior beings like yourself.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
What about the COC that starts in the home !!!!

The fact this doesn't happen enough at home is why we have to have COC's in the schools.

The problem with kids today is they are not afraid to fail or be in trouble. We are so worried about hurting their self esteem and feelings that we coddle them through school and they do not understand why failure is bad.

Let me ask this - how many of you were honestly afraid to fail a class or let down your parents / teachers back in the day? That is not hte case anymore. Back in the day if you failed a class you had to take it over. The standards didn't change - the student still had to achieve a certain level of proficiency if they retook the course.

Now if a kid fails there are 100 different ways for them to recieve a credit for the class from lowered standards.

What happened back in the day if you got caught skipping class or school? About two weeks ago I caught two kids skipping - it was end of the day and they were leaving campus about 15 minutes early. I wasn't able to stop them but I saw them leaving and turned them in. They got one period of in school suspension. How bad would the lawsuit have been if they were in a car wreck when they were supposed to be in school?

A young lady I work with was dog cussed by a student because he wouldn't take his hood off in the building (rules violation). He got one period of in school suspension because he was having a bad day. He hasn't been classified with any type of behavioral problems but he's known for his "bad days" and we let them slide.

Another young lady I work with has an behavioral problem kid in her class. He has pushed her several times in class and nothing can be done to him because he has that EBD label. She is a very petitie woman and honestly can pass for a student herself. So what happens to her if this kid really loses it and starts harming other students? How is she going to stop him?

All of this stuff is connected with sports because athletes are students. They get away with stuff all the time in school then they will start pushing the envelope in athletics. With parents not supporting the coach / school the problem becomes worse and worse. That is what is happening.

A school needs COC's because at some point they do have to do something and when they do they need a legal leg to stand on. I agree that some COC's go too far but by having them you are teaching kids that society has rules and regulations and if you don't follow them there are repercussions.

A parent says it's their job to teach their kid right and wrong and not the schools - I agree to a certain point. Parents don't write the laws but everyone has to follow them and if you don't you get into trouble. That is life and we can teach these kids that lesson by having rules and regulations (COC's) in place and enforcing them. Even if a parent doesn't agree with them because that is life. Most people don't agree with every law out there but you can't change them. If you break them then you got to pay the price.

That is life.

Here is the link to the newspaper article. I copied and pasted two things. First a teacher discloses that Ian did not drink the night in question. Second, they do mention that he missed games due to an earlier infraction. My thoughts on that are three fold... 1) was the first infraction as bogus as the second? 2) Kids do dumb things and we as adults dont need to take the positive things in their life away, we need to bench them a bit , make them pick weeds, lets the parents step in and parent and hope they learn their lesson...
3) Which it appears Ian did... He called his parents and got out of a bad situation. We all want that call.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews...son_na032709.article


"Bob, a teacher at Washington Junior High School in District 203, said Ian did not consume alcohol on the March night in question..."


"Ian missed several games at the beginning of last season after his first violation of the athletic code of conduct. "


Now, Ian's story is very public right now. And, because I am supporting him and his situation I feel I can mention his name. I would never mention his name in a negative light.

He was wronged on this one IMO.

Now here is the link to the BA article.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=609

I cut a portion of the article I was refering to in my original post. I really feel Illinois should take another look at this.....Read on.......

In an e-mail to Baseball America’s Conor Glassey, Krol explained that he went to a basketball game with another young man that had brought alcohol in the car. Krol said he called his parents to pick him up. The young man was pulled over later by police for allegedly driving under the influence. The driver told police Krol had been with him earlier, which was relayed to the school’s administration.

"Unfortunately I made a poor choice by going to a basketball game with a guy who had brought alcohol in the car," Krol said in the e-mail. "He told the police that I wasn’t drinking but just being in the presence of alcohol is a violation of our school’s athletic code. I shouldn’t have gone to the game."


My only further comment is this. A person should only be responsible for his own blood alcohol level. Which if I read the story right was 0.0

0.0 does not deserve a suspension

quote:

Originally posted by playfair:
.....First a teacher discloses that Ian did not drink the night in question.
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"Bob, a teacher at Washington Junior High School in District 203, said Ian did not consume alcohol on the March night in question..."

playfair,
The teacher quoted in the article is the player's father, who is a teacher at a different school. I have not seen any news accounts in which an official of the player's school says anything about the events.

hmmmm, well i was wondering why they would call a high school washington JUNIOR high school.

my bad

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
I have not seen any news accounts in which an official of the player's school says anything about the events.

Nor will you. Have you ever or did you expect to?

No, I don't expect it. I was responding to the mistaken suggestion that the school had made a public comment, and that it was available in news accounts.

This means that I have no good basis on which to make an informed opinion about the merits of this particular situation. I doubt that there are any posters here who do have sufficient information to comment usefully on this individual case.

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Originally posted by CPLZ:

quote:

Originally posted by TPM:
Personally would prefer that what's going on in the IL thread not spill out over here. Seems that they need their own code of conduct.

Could you share with us the purpose behind your comment that "they need their own code of conduct"?

I'm sure there must be something there, but being a lesser mortal from the IL Forum, I fear I need guidance from superior beings like yourself.

CP,
No offense to anyone, I notice that quite a few threads have to be closed down there on occassion, one recently being about one player, mentioned in this topic.