College camps or really want you to ?

Presume them guilty of only wanting your money until the prove themselves innocent of that vice. 

Not to be an A$$ but why are you in contact. Your son should be the one contacting the schools. As you move through this process it needs to be your son leading the way. There wil be coaches that will look down upon your son if you are doing the contacting and work for him. 

As said said by SluggerDad consider camp invites nothing more the a fundraising opportunity at this point.  Use the search function on this website and you will find lots of info on this. 

He/She is doing it because the player isn't quite ready as a freshman but mom or dad can't hardly wait!

At least let him get a season of HS ball in.

To answer your question,  your inquiry means interest, so why not invite the player to camp.

Do a search, just had a very big discussion on this here on the HSBBW.

What's his velocity?  

I have a 2019 and I get the same invites.  I know they have my email from other camps and I am happy for it.  The more info I get for my son the better.  He likes the camps because he gets to show his stuff and size up the competition.  I like the camps because he gets to meet more adults.  It's fun for him so it's a win/win for me.  Frankly, I don't care if he plays in college. I'd rather he pick a school for academics but it's his call.  I know to the outside observer it may seem like dad is pushing but I know the truth.  If he wants to play after high school he is going to have to do the work.  Enjoy the ride. 

how did you get these measurements? If his velo is already 89 he should be getting lots of interest.

We went through this with c2019 on another thread.  The numbers are legit according to my internet sleuthing.  

Camps are not the same for every player.  I think many here would tell you that for most 2019s these camps are really a revenue driver for the coaches and a chance for the players to receive instruction from college coaches and players and see how they stack up and where they need to improve.  A 2019 with limited skills and lower velocity most likely will not generate much interest from the coaches.  

A 2019 with velocity at the 99th percentile for his grade most likely would be noticed.  What "noticed" means - I'm not sure.  I don't think you'd know unless you have your 2019 attend one of the camps.  Are you sending them the link to a site with his info verified by an outside source?  If it's just you telling them his velo and bat speed they might not believe it (without seeing it).

c2019, for most, when they get these links, the primary purpose is moneymaker for the school.  But, as I'm sure you are figuring out by now, there isn't a school in the country that wouldn't be interested in getting a free initial look at a freshman who throws 89.  The possible exception would be if your son is not up to academic standards for a given school.

Someone mentioned that the player should be driving the process and making the contacts.  This is very true.  Someone else mentioned that your son is probably too young to handle those things.  This is also probably true.  So you have a situation where you have to be careful.  Just be aware that it can be a big red flag to an RC that a dad is contacting him instead of the player.  Even as gifted as your son may be, you don't want to put out negative impressions. 

c2019, if he is a freshmen throwing 89 just send them a note with his summer schedule (once he get's it sorted out in the spring) and they will come find you. Don't waste time on college camps. 

Forgetting about baseball he/you should be starting discussions on where he would like to go to college, as far as areas and major interest. Obviously he will not know at this point, but it is a great time to sit around and have meaningful discussions (believe me these are sometimes hard to have with HSers) with your son and what might interest him in his working life. 

As far as the process it is a team effort, with you helping him set up the email account he will use and helping him work through his list of schools. 

Good luck!

OP listed his son as catcher and 3B.  He doesnt throw 89 from the mound?

I stand by my original post, just too early for the recruiting process.

Play a HS season, attend a showcase for evaluation next summer, sit down with son to discuss a plan, his plan.

Grades and discipline his freshman year, PSAT/SAT Prep his Soph year. That's all you should be worrying about.

89 as a freshman will be found by everyone that matters.

If not, he will soon. 

My opinion.  If he is throwing 89 mph, skip the camps.  You don't need no stinking camps.  Change your approach.  Get him to a showcase to get some verified measurables and then have your kid and his coach start working the system.  My guess is they'll be hounding you shortly.  In my area, the one 2018 who has committed his Freshman year throws that hard.  Good luck. 

Don't overlook the PBR (or PG) exposure. You need the 89 documented by an organization that a coach can trust. Otherwise it's just you telling a school he can throw 89 - not likely to be believed at first glance. Limit any college camps to schools he is definitely interested in because, I can tell you, if he shows up at a camp as a 2019 throwing 89mph, the interest will be immediate.

With that kind of velo, I would also include the HS schedule, and the HS coach's name and number. The schools within driving distance might send someone to verify his numbers, and some of the other schools might send someone they know who lives in your area.

If you think your son would present himself well speaking on the phone, then have him call them (they can answer and talk to him, but they can't return his call). Send a very brief email first with name, number and velo. The coach may put your son's name/number in his phone, and actually answer when he calls. If he doesn't answer, leave a message so that he knows the number next time. Trust me, they will want to talk to him.

PBR wouldn't be a bad idea to get his numbers documented, especially if you think he could end up going to college in the midwest. For PG, I would make sure that he attends a PG tournament next summer to get his velo posted (I don't think they record velo at Super25 tournaments). If his summer team isn't going to one, you could easily get a guest spot with another team, probably in several different age groups.

Good luck.

The biggest help you get from PBR or PG regardless of where you want to go to college is that a coach can then simply look at your profile and know that you aren't yanking his chain - somebody reputable clocked the kid at 89. Personally, I don't believe that if you simply tell a coach you're throwing 89 as a frosh he's going to send anyone out to try and verify it unless it's very convenient. he'd figure if it's true, it's going to show up on somebody's (PG or PBR?) website that he can trust.

thanks again, that's what im shooting for, to get his numbers verified, he has been approached by some well respected coaches who run showcases in the Midwest to have him come out  in the summer, and his HS coach does have a nice track record with a state title under his belt, along with his new  catching coach with a state title under his belt too, and his Summer team coach being very respected.im  having him around good people as we take this journey.

and his grades are good, his HS coach wont alone kids to play unless that have at least a 3.0. 

c2019, sent you a pm.  click on the dialog link above to access it.

Just an FYI, in case you don't know.  PG tournaments clock PITCHER velocities.  PG showcases will clock every stat that's able to be clocked with their fancy gizmo's.

I'd have to say though, if it were me with my TOTALLY limited experience, and my kid was a 2019 throwing 89 across the infield then I wouldn't pay the $600 for the showcase yet. What would you even do with serious offers right now?

In theory if he is throwing 89 in 9th grade he will be throwing 89+ in 11th grade. It's been made clear on here that the early signing advantage goes to the school, not the player.  If they want him in 9th they should want him in 11th grade and there is a higher level of confidence that they actually want HIM, not what they think he will do in 5 years.

I would not bother with any camps.... might go to a PG event... is he hitting 89 or sitting 89 ? big difference...  Also, learn from my mistakes, don't go and parade him around to every showcase and camp like I did with 2014...

That will just wear him thin and you'll end up wasting money... 

If he is a 2019 RHP topping 89  does he have control off off speed?  Where does he sit ?  what are the velo's on the off speed, How tall is he, what is his body type, projection.... these are the reasons they want to see him play, and they want to see him play in a game against like competition to see if he is a competitor, knows how to pitch ( for his age)  , they will watch him at a showcase and take your money but would rather see him play when it matters. 

The same is true if he is a third baseman... that velo is great across the infield but if you are on the corners you have to mash the ball.  You may not get a ball hit at you all game, but you will bat.

Poo poo the camps and showcases, except PG and get on a good travel team, work hard, send out your schedules , let your travel coach sell him.  Sit back and enjoy.

If you're anywhere near VA, we'll be happy to help with any freshman with those numbers! 

He never said that his son was a pitcher.  In another topic he said he was a catcher and 3B position player.  Here he stated that his velocity is 89 and posted his bat exit velocity.   

I asked if the velo came from the mound.

Probably hasn't answered me because I am in the wait until you play a HS game corner and I am not telling him what he wants to hear.

Why is everyone assuming the velo is from the mound? I want to know if he can pitch.

The 2019 was identified on a previous thread as a C and 3b, not a pitcher.  The velocity number is across the infield I believe.  Still VERY high of course, especially for a 2019.  If I remember the son has a late birthday but he is still a 2019 with very strong numbers from a recent area code camp.

Well, last week it was a 2018 now it's a 2019...Hmm

Why is a 2019 trying to get in front of Colleges? Let me play devils advocate for a moment. So, you take your 2019 to a college camp, the whole point of a college camp is for the coaches at the college to evaluate your son and in the best case scenario, evaluate your son and say " We'd like to offer your son a baseball scholarship" at that point your son will need to make a decision. Is your son really prepared to make a decision on where he would like to attend college and live for 4 years AND make that decision 4 years in advance?

Also, a 2019 hasn't taken standardized tests ( SAT ) yet or actually established a legit HS GPA . I mean, how is your son  going to determine whether or not it is a proper academic fit if he has no real academic data on himself?

Based on some of the info provided the kid seems like a talented underclassmen. Generally, talented underclassmen become talented upperclassmen right? So, baring injury or disinterest in the game, the kid's skills will improve. Why showcase a work in progress when you can showcase a more polished player in a few years?

Don't get me wrong, I understand a parent wanting to get a jump start and get things rolling for college baseball. I get it. But the NCAA men's college baseball recruiting timeline just doesn't line up with proactive parents.

Again, I'd like to point out that once players and parents do in fact enter the recruiting maze they usually get lost quickly. More times than not this is because they do not understand how the colleges communicate interest in potential recruits.

Basically there are 3 reactions in recruiting. It's sort of like:  YES, NO and MAYBE. That goes for the players as well as the RC's . With my son early on when we discussed a recruiting strategy and I mentioned the military schools he said NO or once when an east coast RC phoned him and inquired about his interest level in their school he told me MAYBE. With the RC's the YES is loud and clear. The MAYBE'S are expressed in the form of phone calls/ texts to the players or HS/ travel ball coach's. The NO's generally aren't verbalized by a RC unless the player flat out asks,  but they are also loud and clear in the form of indifference and lack of communication.Just my 2 cents.

Short of a kids 'Dream school' or family legacy issues, in my opinion there are only maybe a handful of schools that make sense for a 2018 let alone a 2019 to 'early commit' to and this would more be a 'Baseball decision' than an academic decision:

UCLA

STANFORD ( They won't offer a 2019 without more academic info  )

MIAMI

USC

NORTH CAROLINA

VANDY

ARIZONA STATE

CAL STATE FULLERTON

TCU

I'm sure I may have missed a couple.But only a couple. It's a really short list. With the exception of Stanford These schools are 'baseball factories' for 2019's that expect to go in the 2021 , 2022 MLB draft. These are the ONLY schools I would advise a 2018 or 2019 to commit to and that would be purely a 'baseball decision ' and baseball decisions are only seriously considered with the aforementioned schools. When these schools offer, Well.... you say YES. And if you are a parent of a 2019 running your kid out to camp and your camp isn't at a college listed above, you are wasting your time and money.

Lastly, if you are determined to do college showcase work with a 2019 and have decided to attack the list of schools above I commend you and wish you and your son the very best of luck.

But know this, The aforementioned schools recruit only the very, very TOP players in the country. THE BEST OF THE BEST. There are no exceptions.

2020 class WOW! RT @EthanLong2534: Proud to say that I have official committed to Arizona!✍

Congrats to 2019 @Bugskehoe9 for committing to @UofLBaseball congrats buddy!

Add Louisville and Arizona to the list.  Mississippi State also.  Follow Ray Deleon on twitter if you want to see all the 2018's and their school.  I don't know how big the Canes are, but the Banditos are pretty big in these parts for big time players and commits.

On another topic entitled 2019 evaluation, PG gives excellent advice about catching and arm velo for evaluation. My son played 3B and a rocket for an arm, but slower and more accurate from the mound.  He was a pitcher, not a thrower.

Here is what I don't get.  The player is in HS, throws fast( never said from where) but dad keeping him from being a pitcher?  

I wanna know arm speed from the mound.

IMHO that's terrible advice.

What position does the kid enjoy playing the most? 

I think that should factor in just a little bit. Maybe I'm naive. He could be done playing in 2 years. You never know. Let him maximize his enjoyment in the greatest game there is, rather than having adults micromanage his future. Just a thought.

Not sure I get this list. Vandy, Stanford and (maybe) NC, I get. They are high academic schools. However ASU, Miami, CSF? You could just as easily substitute 20 more schools in those spots (e.g. Arkansas, Mississipi St., Oregon St., Arizona). Note, too, that these and a handful of others represent a large proportion of the early commits anyway.

there's no fun in that.......JK

I made the same mistake. When you see a velo posted with no other stats, the only thought is usually pitching. That sort of changes everything. I would assume that's from third (if it's from F2, forget the commitments, he'll be in the show by the time he's 19). Impressive, but needs a bat to go along with it it's a useless number. If he were a SS it would be slightly different. I would also assume, though, if he's 89 across the diamond, he's got a good pop time from behind the dish.

this is awesome,!! this board is way better than whats on the news!!! thanks for the feedback, im sure their  are others out there that that can learn from this thread,,

note ,there is a lot more that im leaving out to keep my info as private as possible, but the ride will be fun what ever happens,