College drinking
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Do you ever offer anything from "the mind of Frank Martin"? Or is it all about posting other people's work? Not that the topic of the article isn't important, there's just no new information there, IMO.
This is such an important topic. I think we need all the information we can get. This can be a matter of life and death.
Don't forget, there are new websters who discover this site who may not have read the previous threads on this topic.
Don't forget, there are new websters who discover this site who may not have read the previous threads on this topic.
Just do like the cut and patch graphics in the prospect watch logo---seems I saw that somewhere before it showed up on your materialistic site
Cut and patch?
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Legendary Baseball Stars Paper Dolls in Full Color
by Tom Tierney
16 Hall of Fame stars and 32 costumes trace evolution in baseball garb. Cobb, Ruth, Robinson, Clemente, 12 others.
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And if you're strictly into just coloring...not cutting...then this may be of some interest...
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Or more on topic...
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Legendary Baseball Stars Paper Dolls in Full Color
by Tom Tierney
16 Hall of Fame stars and 32 costumes trace evolution in baseball garb. Cobb, Ruth, Robinson, Clemente, 12 others.
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And if you're strictly into just coloring...not cutting...then this may be of some interest...
nice pics gw4s 
when exactly do atheletes do all this partying?
before the 6 am workouts?
after practice but before study table?
and gee, Ohio State not accepting beer ads
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wow, is that the same university that "closed down/ran off" all the (regulated) nightlife near campus doing their part to curtail underage drinking
result, unregulated off-campus & city-wide multi-keg house parties where underage drinking skyrocketed
soo, with most partying going on in homes & not in regulated businesses AND with the underage problem out of control, the State stepped in with their fix -
"require 5+ keg parties be registered & legal buyers must consent-in-advance to allow police to enter & search their home without probable cause"
- tho 4 kegs were apparently ok 
oops, that didn't last long ... something do to with the 4th amendement to US Constitution
I think I'll do a study on "studies" .. where do I send the bill?
agree that something is poorly understood .. why am I sensing that my tax $$ is somehow paying for these studies?quote:from article: A poorly understood relationship exists between alcohol and athletics ... College athletes drink more heavily than non-athletes. Athletes tend to socialize more than non-athletes, place more importance on parties, have more friends that drink heavily
when exactly do atheletes do all this partying?
before the 6 am workouts?
after practice but before study table?
and gee, Ohio State not accepting beer ads
.. wow, is that the same university that "closed down/ran off" all the (regulated) nightlife near campus doing their part to curtail underage drinking
result, unregulated off-campus & city-wide multi-keg house parties where underage drinking skyrocketed
soo, with most partying going on in homes & not in regulated businesses AND with the underage problem out of control, the State stepped in with their fix -
"require 5+ keg parties be registered & legal buyers must consent-in-advance to allow police to enter & search their home without probable cause"
- tho 4 kegs were apparently ok oops, that didn't last long ... something do to with the 4th amendement to US Constitution
I think I'll do a study on "studies" .. where do I send the bill?
as . . "a poorly understood relationship ALSO exists between alcohol and astronauts" -
I'll soon submit a study on NASA cocktail parties at the "international space station" and whether any college athletes are known to hang out there after practice ...
a whole new meaning to "flying high"
it's no wonder the MOON has all those dents in it .. rough landings
Mr Spacely can't be a happy camper
. . . . . . awaiting woodys reponse
I'll soon submit a study on NASA cocktail parties at the "international space station" and whether any college athletes are known to hang out there after practice ...
a whole new meaning to "flying high"
it's no wonder the MOON has all those dents in it .. rough landings
Mr Spacely can't be a happy camper
. . . . . . awaiting woodys reponse
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Why is it that Baseball Coaches see fit to set an example and kick the kid off the team, for good.
While in Football, he sits out a game or two and is right back on the field?
That's a great point Prime.
Even though he doesnt sound like he handled the arrest too well he still should've been given a chance to make amends. Just like other college athletic teams allow.
Even though he doesnt sound like he handled the arrest too well he still should've been given a chance to make amends. Just like other college athletic teams allow.
quote:Originally posted by Prime9:quote:
Why is it that Baseball Coaches see fit to set an example and kick the kid off the team, for good.
While in Football, he sits out a game or two and is right back on the field?
I would like to think there are higher standards in collegiate baseball. Or maybe less money at stake?
How do we know that this wasn't his second chance?
Or that he hasn't been the model teammate?
Let's give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt here without knowing all of the circumstances.
JMO.
Or that he hasn't been the model teammate?
Let's give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt here without knowing all of the circumstances.
JMO.
He did resist arrest and was involved in an assualt..
Coach Fox does not play around with this stuff. He makes it very clear from day one. You will handle yourself in a certain manner or you will find another place to play. Cody is a great kid. He made a bad decision. He will bounce back from this. He will learn a valuable lesson. And Coach Fox will continue to run his program the right way.
From 1st hand experience I can say- They know the rules ahead of time, and the results are tough, but in the long run, a real life lesson!
quote:I would like to think there are higher standards in collegiate baseball. Or maybe less money at stake?
Yes, I think so too and that was my point? Why doesn't that thinking exist in Basketball and Football? Forgiving their actions and allowing them to continue to compete in their team sport seems to occur all the time, unlike in baseball.
PrimeJr and his teammates won a H.S. Championship as Juniors. All that talent was returning so a "repeat" was considered to be forthcoming. That is until three starters were caught drinking off campus, at a Cinco De Mayo party just days before the post season playoffs were to begin.
No questions asked, everyone knew the what the consequences would be; those three key starters were kicked off the team and were not even allowed to participate in School graduation festivities. Their diplomas were mailed to them.
We lost in the Semi-final game and there is no doubt that with those three we would have easily won consecutive Championships. I don't believe you can find anyone, not even the parents of the athletes, who didn't agree with the Schools actions.
I just don't understand the "turn the other cheek" action of many Coaches in other sports. What's the difference and dynamics going on?
Our high school team a few years ago had 3 guys caught violating the no alcohol rule and they were booted. This rule was well known up front. One guy was the #1 pitcher. First game after the big boot, the team was no hit. I thought they'd be lucky to finish at .500.
The rest of the story: they got hot,stayed hot, and won the first state title in school history. And that number 1 pitcher? He learned his lesson, remains a fine young man, went on to college and will graduate and finish his career in fine fashion as one of his school's top pitchers.
The rest of the story: they got hot,stayed hot, and won the first state title in school history. And that number 1 pitcher? He learned his lesson, remains a fine young man, went on to college and will graduate and finish his career in fine fashion as one of his school's top pitchers.
quote:Originally posted by Prime9:
Why is it that Baseball Coaches see fit to set an example and kick the kid off the team, for good.
So you are blaming the UNC Coaching Staff?
Unbelievable
I believe you misinterpreted Prime9's statement. He is agreeing that the coach did the right thing, but wandering why coaches in basketball and football don't follow suit. Possibly it's $, possibly it's institution rather than sport??
quote:Originally posted by Bear:quote:Originally posted by Prime9:
Why is it that Baseball Coaches see fit to set an example and kick the kid off the team, for good.
So you are blaming the UNC Coaching Staff?
Unbelievable
uh NO! He did the right thing as it seems baseball Coaches most always do. It seems Coaches in the other big two more often than not give them a pass and they continue to play. Sorry, thought my point was clearer??
And it doesn't appear to get better after we get out of college either. I had to quit watching "Two And A Half Men" after we found out that Charlie Sheen's character was exactly like his real life.
This week I dropped a FaceBook "friend" after years of endless posts of his alleged drinking exploits. Then I read a post today from my High School Class of 1986 (that makes us 43 years old.) One girl couldn't attend the small class gathering at Thanksgiving but she offered to come pick up anyone who was "too drunk to drive home" that night.
So at what point do we all start growing up? And when will realize that if we act like this then our kids will think it's normal and acceptable?
This week I dropped a FaceBook "friend" after years of endless posts of his alleged drinking exploits. Then I read a post today from my High School Class of 1986 (that makes us 43 years old.) One girl couldn't attend the small class gathering at Thanksgiving but she offered to come pick up anyone who was "too drunk to drive home" that night.
So at what point do we all start growing up? And when will realize that if we act like this then our kids will think it's normal and acceptable?
The dialogue on this thread reminded me of a letter my son received from UNC Coach Mike Fox just before he arrived as an entering Freshman. Every one of his players, past and present, has received the same letter. You'll find a relevant excerpt from it copied below.
I'm posting it not to lionize Coach Fox; but, rather, to suggest that the large majority of college baseball coaches expect their players to adhere to a set of high standards...both on and off the field. I think they're to be commended for it as a group.
By the way, after my then 18-year-old son handed his copy of the letter to me, I read it, chuckled, and said, "Well, son, at least there should be no surprise as to the way he reacts if and when you and/or any of your teammates choose to stray from the straight and narrow!"
Excerpted from Coach Fox's letter:
"There are a few things it is important you know right from the start. I love players- who hustle, are self–motivated, clean cut, polite, attend class, are attentive, positive, hard-nosed, fearless, trustworthy, self-confident, hard working, those who are never satisfied and those willing to sacrifice personal gains for the benefit of the team. I do not like- profanity, laziness, earrings, hats worn backwards, negativity, lack of effort, tardiness (Be on time!), egos, individuals, mental mistakes, disrespect, lying, excuses, bad attitudes, selfishness and those who think they are above the rules.”
I'm posting it not to lionize Coach Fox; but, rather, to suggest that the large majority of college baseball coaches expect their players to adhere to a set of high standards...both on and off the field. I think they're to be commended for it as a group.
By the way, after my then 18-year-old son handed his copy of the letter to me, I read it, chuckled, and said, "Well, son, at least there should be no surprise as to the way he reacts if and when you and/or any of your teammates choose to stray from the straight and narrow!"
Excerpted from Coach Fox's letter:
"There are a few things it is important you know right from the start. I love players- who hustle, are self–motivated, clean cut, polite, attend class, are attentive, positive, hard-nosed, fearless, trustworthy, self-confident, hard working, those who are never satisfied and those willing to sacrifice personal gains for the benefit of the team. I do not like- profanity, laziness, earrings, hats worn backwards, negativity, lack of effort, tardiness (Be on time!), egos, individuals, mental mistakes, disrespect, lying, excuses, bad attitudes, selfishness and those who think they are above the rules.”
quote:Originally posted by biggerpapi:
So at what point do we all start growing up? And when will realize that if we act like this then our kids will think it's normal and acceptable?
Amen to this Pappi !! I quit drinking 8 years ago when Mood Jr was 10. I was 42. It was time. I put in 25 good years with my friend Bud Light and it was time to end the relationship. I shuddered as I reflected on the post little league game gatherings at our house where I would put a recycling bin full of bottles out on the curb. What were those 10 year old boys thinking watching their parents toss the empties and open another??
When our son started school, we were very surprised to learn what parents' social really meant.
Kids watch and learn from the day they're born. Parents can't tell their kids when they hit their teens to do one thing when they've been observing their parents acting another way since they were born.quote:when will realize that if we act like this then our kids will think it's normal and acceptable?
I started watching Two and a Half Men because my son (high school at the time) turned it on. He told me it was funny to watch people act so stupid. He understood the behavior is abnormal. I told him Charlie Sheen would probably die young with health problems.
There's an FCC law the show can't be shown before 9pm. It's a joke given the law doesn't apply to reruns. Reruns are on at 7:00 and 7:30. Younger kids should not have access to this show.
Watch a MASH rerun. When they're not in the OR it's about getting drunk and chasing women. The show is 30-40 years old. Watch Cheers reruns. It's mostly suggestive $ex. Sam Malone is just like Charlie Harper without the alcohol. It's set in a bar. The show is 20-30 years old.
These shows are funny. Men is a little over the top regarding standards. It goes back to it's the parents responsibility to raise and teach their kids, not television.
RJM, I understand exactly what you're saying. It's up to me to impress upon my children what's right and what's wrong.
Men, MASH, Cheers...I get it.
Hmmm, I wonder if I could come up with a sitcom about a guy who develops a Ponzi scheme and bilks thousands of people out of billions of dollars.
Or maybe a light-hearted romantic comedy about dog fighting?
Improbable college roommates...Jeffrey Dahmer and OJ Simpson? That would be hilarious!
Maturity and responsibility are demanded of me, the parent, but of no one else?
Men, MASH, Cheers...I get it.
Hmmm, I wonder if I could come up with a sitcom about a guy who develops a Ponzi scheme and bilks thousands of people out of billions of dollars.
Or maybe a light-hearted romantic comedy about dog fighting?
Improbable college roommates...Jeffrey Dahmer and OJ Simpson? That would be hilarious!
Maturity and responsibility are demanded of me, the parent, but of no one else?
Parents need to set the standard. They need to point their kids along the right path. Parents need to teach their kids how to respond when they are exposed to the wrong path.quote:Maturity and responsibility are demanded of me, the parent, but of no one else?
My son is a college freshman. He came home for the first time last week. He told me stories of things he's seen. I reminded him the same rule I told him in high school still applies. It applies for life.
"If you think you're in the wrong place, chances are you're right. Remove yourself."
I believe this applies to physical or philosophical situations. It applies to being at a high school parties to professional ethics to family life.
I agree with you 100%. I just get frustrated.