Correctable Error

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Originally posted by Yankeelvr:
1st & 3rd, R1 stealing, batter swings, foul tip, HPU calls foul. R1 returning to 1B is tagged. BU stops play and allows R1 to return to 2nd. We were the defensive team and I was nearly run for what would be the first time in 10 yrs. Should not the HPU's call of foul put R1 back on 1st ? BU claimed it was a correctable error and gave him 2nd.

If it was indeed a foul tip, it is just a strike, regardless of PU's verbal mistake. The runners may advance.

However, runners may also screw up as this one did and get tagged. Runner is out and BU should not have called time.

Directly to catchers mitt, no question.

Wait a minute - if the PU called foul - isn't the runner REQUIRED to return to 1st? How can he be out when the PU called "foul"? Am I to teach my players to ignore umpires now?

The PU's "verbal mistake" is correctable and it would be a gross misjustice to punish the runner for following the umpire's direction.

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Originally posted by Coach_Bayer:
Wait a minute - if the PU called foul - isn't the runner REQUIRED to return to 1st? How can he be out when the PU called "foul"? Am I to teach my players to ignore umpires now?

The PU's "verbal mistake" is correctable and it would be a gross misjustice to punish the runner for following the umpire's direction.

Depends on the rule set. In FED a call of "foul" kills play, regardless of its accuracy.

In OBR, per the MLBUM, it would depend on the reaction of the players. In MLB, there have been several cases of foul balls being changed to fair. I witnessed one in which the fielder had even given up on the ball, but the change to fair was allowed anyway.

If R1 was obviously reacting to the umpires call, then I would have killed play. On the other hand, if R1 simply didn't know the difference between a foul tip and a foul ball, I'd let the out stand.

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Originally posted by Yankeelvr:
1st & 3rd, R1 stealing, batter swings, foul tip, HPU calls foul. R1 returning to 1B is tagged. BU stops play and allows R1 to return to 2nd. We were the defensive team and I was nearly run for what would be the first time in 10 yrs. Should not the HPU's call of foul put R1 back on 1st ? BU claimed it was a correctable error and gave him 2nd.

Sorry you had to see that...

Correctable yes.
1. Mr. PU needs training, knowledge and experience.

2. BU gets a new partner.

3. File a protest/formal, ph: call to assignor, league. Tough love for this guy, he wouldn't be out there if he didn't want to do a good job, do what you can to see he get's the help he needs.

4. No need to get tossed or upset, HP umpire was hosed, except that and move on. His partner was probably having a heart attack as it was.

As far as on the field, no it can't be fixed to everybodies satisfaction.
If the play executed without regard to the errant call, it'd be nice to let the play stand as it occured. If that is indeed the "right" call.

By rule "foul" kills it and that's that.
By rule PU misapplied the rule, that is also that.

Kinda like the little dive I ate at the other night; the food was crummy, but at least it was cold too..