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D dswann100+ posts
2010 player has had multipule offers from a variety of schools in the west. Big schools, little schools, public and private. He has visted campuses, sat in classrooms and spoke with heads of departments and coaching staffs. In the process of setting up official visits to meet team members etc. All the schools are competitive in their conferences and the coaching staffs are all very well respected. The boy could see himself at anyone of the programs that have recruited him for baseball.

So that leaves academics. A good student but not of a Ivy league, Stanford or Cal caliber. I mention these schools as I believe, any type of degree from these institutions would open doors in the work place. Our goal, as parents is for the boy to be marketable, with the most options available upon graduation. I have spoke with college professors who believe a 3.5 gpa from a state school would trump a 3.2 from Stanford in applying for grad school with similiar test scores. Conversly proponents of the private school tout the advantages of private institutions.

Literally he could go either way. While money is always a issue in this instance it would not be. Although, if a school is a school is a school, why not bank the $$$$$$$$ and go public. I have read the reviews and rankings on College Board, Princeton Review, U.S News, College Prowler, CollegeStudent Review, etc.. Do these reviews or rankings actually translate to more opportunites in the work place?

Iam driving the coaches and administrative staffs crazy. I've been told a player will typically visit the school and either commits or bails. In an effort to ferret out how strong there alumni program and career counseling departments might be, I have asked what there recent graduates are doing.

I consider this to be due diligence. Any thoughts on how to determine a schools strengths in marketing their graduates would be helpful. Or is this even their repsonsibility.
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B BobbleheadDoll5,000+ posts
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Iam driving the coaches and administrative staffs crazy.


No kidding.
A good student with likability can compete for jobs regardless of under grad college. My son competed with grads from all the top schools and he got 3 job offers from Fortune 500 companies. Due to circumstances he and his fiancé decided to wait until she graduated in the spring. 2 of them want him to get back to them when they know what they are doing. They both will pay for post grad studies if he commits to them for a period of time.
Forget the brand. If your son is good student he will get the same opportunities.
ClevelandDadClevelandDadHSBBWeb Administrator
dswann - I agree with Infield08. If the main focus is academics and post-grad marketing opportunites, why even worry about baseball?

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Iam driving the coaches and administrative staffs crazy. I've been told a player will typically visit the school and either commits or bails.


Maybe the most important question to ask is to your son. Does he really want to play college baseball?

If so, I would be careful of giving the impression of high maintenance. These offers could evaporate at any time and you could get left out in the cold.
P Pedropere100+ posts
I don't think the concern is misplaced. There are schools with great academic reputations where athletes on certain teams are essentially restricted from taking advantage of those academic opportunities. This is all a function of the coach and his ambitions for his team and his players.

What you may find, as already expressed here, is inquiries about what happens to the graduates could be taken as a sign that you don't really want to be there.

I would take a look at the roster to see if you can figure out what departments the players are in. Often that gives you a clue about who your teammates are and what their goals and academic abilities are. It also helps to divide that list into starters and non-starters.

All of it depends on your level of ambition. If you want a good professional school admission, you have to have good scores and good grades in a respected major. Big schools have plenty of less-respected majors, and often these attract athletes. If off-season workouts conflict with normal academic requirements, for instance, you'll find most of the players enrolled in the departments that offer poor employment opportunities, and little weight in graduate school applications.

Obviously, none of this matters if you are going to become a long tenured major league player.
B BobbleheadDoll5,000+ posts
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if a school is a school is a school, why not bank the $$$$$$$$ and go public.


I think the BB experience is an asset in the real world. That may open more doors than the college you do your under grad work at. Post grad is a different ball game.
My son's one roommate applied to 2 law schools and got accepted in Both. He is at USC and chose it for several reasons.
Since the question was cost/benefit , he saved about 30 grand a year over an Ivy.
D dswann100+ posts
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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
dswann - I agree with Infield08. If the main focus is academics and post-grad marketing opportunites, why even worry about baseball?

[QUOTE] Iam driving the coaches and administrative staffs crazy. I've been told a player will typically visit the school and either commits or bails.


Maybe the most important question to ask is to your son. Does he really want to play college baseball?

Most definetly! I tend to think that almost any kid playing college baseball is holding onto the dream of playing at the next level. Even if its the slimmest of chances. As a parent. Iam attempting to temper the enthusiasm towards baseball with the reality of the game as a business and the advantages of obtaining a degree that is marketable.

To qualify an earlier statemnent " I am driving the coaches and administrative staff crazy" would be in contrast to those who are soley focused on baseball.
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D dswann100+ posts
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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
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if a school is a school is a school, why not bank the $$$$$$$$ and go public.


I think the BB experience is an asset in the real world. That may open more doors than the college you do your under grad work at. Post grad is a different ball game.
My son's one roommate applied to 2 law schools and got accepted in Both. He is at USC and chose it for several reasons.
Since the question was cost/benefit , he saved about 30 grand a year over an Ivy.


BBHD. That's excellent. And supports the professors argument, you do well in any program and doors will be open.

So are you of the opinion that a private schools education as an undergrad is overated?
jemazjemaz1,000+ posts
Any school is what you make of it. I have a daughter at USC, perhaps headed to medical school. She is getting a great education with a great fit (for her) to the tune of about $50,000 per year.

I have a son who just graduated from Arizona State's Barrett Honors College with a degree in finance. With his scholarships, the cost to me was virtually zero. He is headed to law school.

Which one is better? I don't think either is better and I don't think it matters. As I said, each is a product of what they put into it.
TRhitTRhit10,000+ posts
My son was a below average student---went to a major Division I baseball school---graduated with a good gPA , majoring in Hotel and tourism----first job out of the box was for Donald Trump at his hotel in West Palm Beach, FL----not bad for a kid from a state school in New Mexico

I agree that for each student athlete it is what they make of it during their college days
B BobbleheadDoll5,000+ posts
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So are you of the opinion that a private schools education as an undergrad is overrated?


Over rated and over priced.
I believe kids should be in a public system . It is closer to real life.
I watched a program on a couple about to loose their home and everything else. They were paying $800 a month and wouldn't take their kids out. A good public school is free and again if you work at it you will succeed. My son and all my kids went to public schools and they thrived in it. We have a very prestigious private school here. Mt brother in law taught there. He even said it was a waste of money.
Kids should be allowed to mingle with kids with parental control. I don't need or want a school to do my parenting.
My son's college was a small private school but the money was right.
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B BobbleheadDoll5,000+ posts
Undergrad studies unless they are in a specific discipline are pretty much on a par.
If you want to work In certain fields it may be different.
For example Microsoft hire most of the Waterloo grads here in Ontario. Disney hires a lot of animators from Sheridan college in Ontario. These are specific disciplines much similar to some grad programs.

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